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Thanks Frank if you want to try it at the BH let me know! Will be doing GFH Urban Shotgun with it May 20th. Pete is looking at a Browning BPS Stalker. That is too big for me , so we may not be his and hers. I'll have him try my 590A1 before I swap out the stock though. I think a couple that shoots together should have at least one matching set

I'd like to see the Behind The Scenes. When was it aired?

I looked low and high and found someone who had the exact model I had picked out after much deliberation over my last 2 days of research. Shipping today is the 590A1 12 ga Mariner . I should have it next Wednesday Question is ..I won't be using the factory stock . The LOP is too long. Since it is a brand new gun I want a brand new stock on it..which for me means adjustable . So can someone recommend a nice good quality adjustable stock for it ? I have been pouring over reviews for the Kicklite and the Knoxx SpecOps..for the Knoxx it seems the people who complain about cheek bite are the ones who have it adjusted down into its shortest position so I won't go with that one. The Phoenix Kicklite though..I haven't seem anything negative about it . Does anyone have any experience with it? I like the idea of recoil reducing..but if it does that at the expense of behaving funky elsewhere , I'll just take it on the shoulder with a good quality adjustable stock and decent butt pad combo. I need a single point tactical sling and something to hold additional rounds ( for training) . Thanks

Can you expand on that ? I.E what do you mean by locked out? Because you need to buy a badge or be a resident or something?

Sounds great ! Can't wait to get to that one

Training is definitely key.The types of training I have done deal with high energy , stress inducing , Israelis screaming at the top of his lungs in your ear hole insulting you and using extremely foul language. It is amazing how you can train for something then it all falls apart during stress. I take every scenario type training course I can find the time for since we have been involved with firearms. As for my grandfather , he would have been better off hiding , not me . He was in his 70s and I was in my 20s and I had my 3 wood in my hand. In hindsight my Rosie II putter would have made a way better weapon. That guy did not stop trying to get in until you heard the police pulling up. My grandfather kept a machete in his bedroom after that . My point is though , kids do weird things under stress. When you talk to them about scenarios , absolutely staying in their rooms is best. But they don't always listen. Age matters too. I think you would be hard pressed to peel a frightened 2 or 3 year old off of you . Probably until the end of their 3rd year they are not going to be very compliant about leaving your side and going into their room if they are terrified . It is a scary thought . Probably a good thing to dry run with your kids , right along with stop drop and roll.

We actually had someone try to barge through our backdoor at 5am once . It was super scary. I was younger..in my 20s . I lived at my Grandparents. My grandfather was paranoid by nature so he had drilled a huge slide deadbolt into the floor from the bottom on the door. So as the intruder was trying to break in through the back door the bolt was keeping him out. It was glass panes in the door he had broken and he was trying the knob and bolt with his arm. .He did not know there was a bolt in the floor too and he could not push the door in. I was right next to the door calling 911 while my grandfather was shouting at him to go away , the police were coming. He did not seem to care , he was intent on getting in. I know it would have been BAD had he been able to get through that door .He had our short handled pick ax from our garden shed in his hand ..he had used that to break the glass.Shudder to think what would have happened. I have put a lot of thought into home invasions. I am a big fan of perimeter alarms. I have 2 big dogs that will bark and get aggressive ( just ask the pizza guy who came back in to my house for his pen after I signed the credit card receipt ) Even if they don't stop someone from breaking in , there will be warning. And , we have an alarm system.It is all about buying time so that you can call 911 and get to the safe. The baby is still at an age where he will stay wherever I put him. My daughter will listen to me I think . My 3 year old son isn't quite there yet in the follow directions ability..so he would be a leg hanger. Even a child that is capable of understanding could freeze or not do what they are told or practiced if they are totally panic stricken. Heck , plenty of adults have horrible fight or flight reactions. I think it is wise to consider the scenario that even the best taught child will grip you and not let go if they are told . Know what I mean? It is a good mental exercise to prepare for your kids clinging to you ( especially toddlers ) despite any commands you have taught them or rehearsed.

Even jeans?

I searched , but did not see a clear answer. Is there a mag capacity limit on a pump action ?

Good point , yes. Hmmmm. Well , waiting for someone to sharpen their pencil..Mossberg 590A1 , with this stock installed ( in black , in Mossberg config): http://www.botachtactical.com/blackhawk-specops-camo-stock--rem-wforend.html

20 gauge? Yeah ? I am probably being scared off the recoil by people who don't know me ( nobody here , a few other people I have spoke too) . Length is my issue , not strength. Not that I would object to 20 ga .. I just may be creating a problem with recoil before it happens. No way to say this without sounding like a tool , but I am pretty damn strong. I've been punched and kicked by grown men for 4 hour long sessions , way harder than a gun would kick ( martial arts , not poor domestic choices lol ) . It is those stupid youtube videos of women getting knocked around by their SGs. I doubt it would apply to me. If it turns out it does I'll post it here in marketplace for 50 bucks off and eat my humble pie lol

What about these ? For HD , point and shoot type stuff. Will I need dentures ? http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3DMossberg%2B590%2BCruiser%2BShotgun&w=160&h=120&imgurl=www.bing.com%2Fimages%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DMossberg%2B590%2BCruiser%2BShotgun%23focal%3D917a294aafd75ead4da5a03db2f886a6%26furl%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252ffc00.deviantart.net%252fimages3%252fi%252f2004%252f098%252f5%252f4%252fMossberg_590_Cruiser_Shotgun.jpg&size=&name=search&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fimages%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DMossberg%2B590%2BCruiser%2BShotgun%23focal%3D917a294aafd75ead4da5a03db2f886a6%26furl%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252ffc00.deviantart.net%252fimages3%252fi%252f2004%252f098%252f5%252f4%252fMossberg_590_Cruiser_Shotgun.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fimages%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DMossberg%2B590%2BCruiser%2BShotgun%23focal%3D917a294aafd75ead4da5a03db2f886a6%26furl%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252ffc00.deviantart.net%252fimages3%252fi%252f2004%252f098%252f5%252f4%252fMossberg_590_Cruiser_Shotgun.jpg&p=Mossberg+590+Cruiser+Shotgun&type=&no=1&tt=108&oid=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fimages%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D4616051015287325%26id%3D1d26d261782dbcd24050dc56cee69dce&tit=Mossberg+590+Cruiser+Shotgun+by+%7EDanGray+on+deviantART&sigr=16jpdj2fr&sigi=16c5cdtq3&sigb=126ktfk68&fr=yfp-t-701

Tabby striped ? Serval circles ? Bobcat spots ? What ?

You're late. I made that joke 2 pages ago lol I'm old enough to be a cougar. But I don't wear 80s animal print spandex , and Pete keeps me in line anyway

A lot of people keep illegal exotics as well. Then they get out. Like the pack of tigers they shot in Jackson a few years back. :/ Not to mention that the laws about keeping big cats as pets is pretty lax comparatively in PA..it is not far for them to migrate to establish a territory in NJ. I had a friend in PA who had a pregnant Gaboon Viper get out of her cage and disappear. Could you imagine getting done in by a Gaboon Viper in PA? He never did find her. Winter would have killed her..but still.

They have also imposed draconian rules on the fighters ( about making money from their own likeness outside of the UFC to give an example) , and use money to strongarm other up and coming organizations from hosting MMA. We are more combatives/real world oriented as well. I find the BJJ to be a nice compliment ..a lot of the gi chokes/submissions and holds translate to an attacker with a jacket on..and any gi choke becomes brutal if you use somebody 's t shirt collar to do it. Ouch , to say the least. The early UFCs were the best. True style against style. Totally outed TKD .. showed the holes in other traditional arts when applied to a real street fight where your opponent is using the same material you are ( i.e , predictable)

An informative thread that I will be watching . For me , adjustable stock is ideal. I don't want to buy something brand new and have to permanently alter it. At 4'11 with very short reach , all but the guns meant for the very young do not fit me . And I don;t want a Little Buckaroo lol As for the mag holders..I want to do as much training as possible , and holding additional rounds is a part of said training The situation with aiming and kids in the house. Depending how old your kids are they should know to stay in their rooms or "stay with me" if they are told. Even my son who is not verbal yet would certainly cling to me , hard , if there was trouble in the house. Which is kind of why I want a SG for HD. I may not be able to sight up and then shoot. I may need for point and shoot to be good enough. Which , what I am told , a shotgun is a better bet for for. I'm interested in any input or opinions on that topic for sure.

Well , from holding a bunch of them ( what gun shows are the best for , IMO) , I definitely want a pistol grip . I just checked vladtepes super duper is it legal thread and read that no pistol grips whatsoever on semi autos so that is out :/ So , why the 590 over the 500? Thanks for all the help so far

A semi auto has less recoil? Did not know that. Can you suggest one with an adjustable stock? I heard good things about this stock , has anyone tried it ? : http://phoenixtechnologygunstocks.com/

I almost bought one at the gun show yesterday. It had an adjustable stock with shell holders on the side of it , it felt really nice weight wise and with the stock adjusted all the way down the LOP was perfect for me. The vendor wanted 385 for it . But , I hesitated because I had not researched that particular stock ( I know I could change it out , but the pistol grip on it felt a bit cheap , and I just did not want to overpay for it) . Plus I figure unless it was a killer deal on a used gun , I would just a soon ask the vendors here for price first. In any event , I would like a Mossberg 500 with a good recoil reducing adjustable stock ( has to be adjustable , other wise I am cutting down stocks..yes , even the youth ones. I need at the maximum an 11 1/2 " LOP and the youth models are 13 " ) , and any other interesting stuff I could put on it. Since it is a pump action and no detachable magazine, I do not have to worry about the features as long as the overall length is legal , correct? Ambidextrous usage is not a concern for me. Sorry Ray Ray. I would like as short of a barrel as allowable . Purpose of this gun will be HD and for training ( GFH Urban Shotgun series) . I want to spend about 800 max on it. Obviously less is better. Looking for the best I can get for the money , as usual. I don;t have to stick with a Mossberg 500 , I just know it as a popular, affordable , and reliable platform. Open to suggestions. Thanks!

What do you have to feed that thing??

I have had issues with a few different types of ammo..was wondering if anyone else was seeing more quality issues with factory ammo lately? I had issues with light strikes from my S&W Model 60 J frame. Basically , they told me to check ammo issues first . Last trip to the range I bought a brand new box of ammo ( Federal .38s ) and had zero issues over 100 rounds.Never had a problem with the Magnums either. So then I go back to the batch I had originally bought ..same brand . Federal American Eagle . More light strikes . So I get a new box ( from same shipment) . Now in THIS box , only about 70% of the ammo even fits in the chamber. It is obviously swollen near the tip of the bullet. Won't go in . The ones that do are fine ..they fire. The gunsmith at BH took a look and said it must have happened during shipping?? Anyway I won't be using anything from that batch . Have not had any light strikes from other batches of 38s American Eagle. Next - Remington UMC .40 cal nickel plated. I got light strikes ( and off center)with my new M&P with these. Others have told me they had issues too. Switched ammo , not one problem in about 200 rounds. Then Pete had a lot of trouble with that ammo during Urban Pistol II.Out of his CZ which has never had so much as a hiccup before using the Remi UMC. Anyone else have any issues with those 2 types of ammo? Any thoughts ? Disclaimer - reloading not an option for us

Oh crud , now Pete is going to read this thread and make fun of me .

We go regularly

lol , it is a play on my husband's siggy which is from the Matrix