RubberBullets

Sooo... This came today certified mail (signature required)... Too bad I already got rid of the lot I bought.

Once the guns are outlawed theyll work on implanting gps trackers on all newborns to avoid losing a murderer like this. You know..for the good of the people

via reddit: "I am in LA and just drove by cienega blvd -- This pretty much sums up the LAPD right now"

Essentially the SAAMI video burns up 252k of ammunition in a tractor trailer with a firefighter standing 10 ft in front of it in turnouts and an airpack. They also light up a mock gun store with a large quantity of ammo and make a knockdown. The basement scenario I stated is separate of an ammo fire.. the argument being that the risk of floor compromise is there just as the risk of a loaded gun being in a home at any structure fire. An ammo fire being as benign as it is in the video, poses a small risk in the scheme of things. Every fire is in fact different, but I do not see cooking ammo as a reason to go defensive... Your mileage may vary and again, it is the IC's call and viewpoints and experience on this subject varies greatly as it is not a common occurrence. Risk vs Benefit goes hand in hand with knowing the enemy you are up against.

Who is to say once the "popcorn" stops means that the fire has yet to reach a loaded firearm? So the ammunition fire, which SAAMI has shown is more of a factor to consider then a show stopper will alter your strategies regardless of the circumstances? A loaded weapon is an important factor, but an unknown. Just as trying to push out a garage fire from in the house could expose you to flammable/explosive contents contained within. Im willing to bet a decent number of structures you have fought have contained a loaded firearm and you never knew it. It is a hazard no doubt, but the potential risk factor decreases when you factor in the variables..i.e. presence of ammo = guns=loaded guns=location of guns=storage of guns=position of stored guns=location in regards to the ammo and so on. I guess it is at the discretion of each IC to make the decision, but my thoughts are that ammo being cooked off is not a reason to go defensive out of the gate. It would be akin to going defensive on all basement fires because the first floor *might* be compromised. *Also the presence of a large quantity of ammo does not necessarily mean there are reloading supplies present.(which again primers igniting in the SAAMI video do not propagate from one to another)Unfortunately I have yet to see what say 8 lbs of primer would do if set ablaze but I would think that would fuel a fire like flammable hazmats as opposed to the effects of a bomb.

http://my.firefighternation.com/m/discussion?id=889755%3ATopic%3A4568957 A sealed ammo can would actually more potential risk then leaving them out in the open. Although unlikely, ammo heated in a sealed container has the potential for the inside reaching its flammable limit exerting pressure on its container to cause an abrupt container failure. This would not necessarily explode like you would expect.. more likely increasing the possibility of getting hit with a portion of the container. Again, highly unlikely but still in the realm of possible. Just as you should not should not store large quantities of powder in your safe. Sealed vessel + anything highly flammable will not end well for those around it. Ive been to a fire that has taken out neighboring homes windows with chambered rounds from two handguns. While the presence of burning ammo may not be a true hazard, it is an implication of underlying hazards i.e. the potential for loaded, unprotected weapons, which would prompt me to ask the homeowner (if possible) of the extent and location of his firearms and or reloading powder. M3rely the presence of burning ammo should not shut down fire attack unless any additional hazards are discovered. Stay safe brothers

^this The biggest hazard from ammo on fire are the bullets chambered in firearms.

Welcome Dad... Is it too early to give you my Christmas list?

Well now i feel just plain silly.. so business as usual then It might be sad to say that this lady is so delusional that the article sounded right up their alley.

So this is what Feinstein and her Colleague think about this whole debacle. Nothing like having a deranged cop killer on the loose to justify public disarmament.. (as well as PD apparently) Feinstein and Boxer Ask Californians to Lay Down Their Weapons During Statewide Manhunt (PP)- As an ex-Los Angeles police officer killed three people and went on a deadly shooting rampage in a vendetta to punish those he attributed for his firing, California Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer pleaded for calm, and asked both law enforcement and civilians to lay down their weapons. An intense manhunt for Christopher Dorner that aroused fear across several states and Mexico focused late Thursday on Big Bear Lake, about 80 miles east of Los Angeles, where police found a burned-out pickup truck that belonged to the ex-military and former police officer Dorner. Throughout the day, Senators Feinstein and Boxer made desperate pleas for their California constituents to turn in their guns and not confront the crazed gunman because this would be a perfect test of their anti-gun proposals. “The Senators feel the best course of action is to remove all weapons from law enforcement and private citizens so no one else gets hurt,” said a Senate communications intern. “When the gunman realizes that nobody else is armed, he will lay down his weapons and turn himself in…. that’s just human nature.” “I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to Los Angeles Police Department officers, on or off duty,” said Dorner in his angry manifesto published online. The rant also claimed that: “Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That’s what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name.” Other California lawmakers chimed in on the Senators’ anti-gun stance with Los Angeles’ Democrat Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa saying disarmament was a good idea, except for public officials. Republicans thought the idea was just crazy. “Feinstein and Boxer want everybody to go unarmed as a madman is running a round shooting people,” said a Riverside, CA. alderman. “If that is the truth… I’m never going to San Francisco again… something must be in the water to make them that insane.” Dorner, 33, had multiple weapons including a frivolously banned assault rifle, said Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck, who urged the suspect to surrender at an unusual press conference in an underground high security room where police were shaking in their boots. “Of course he knows what he’s doing, we trained him. He was also a member of the Armed Forces,” he said. “It is extremely worrisome and scary.” The Palookaville Post has learned that nearly 10,000-members of the LAPD were dispatched to protect more than 108 potential targets across the region on Thursday. The department also said that the federal government was in fact more dangerous than the lone suspect because their ideas of weapon confiscation can hurt millions of Americans over several generations. Putting down their weapons is simply not an option for all legal gun owners. It is their Constitutional right and moral responsibility to protect their loved ones…. it should be obvious. http://www.palookavi...tewide-manhunt/

10 million gun owners in one place with no mass shootings? fugg YOU LIBERAL LOGIC!

Shikaka!!!

looks like it might be shotgun shells no?

windows are nothing than cosmetics.. Some prefer 15/20s over the 15/30s is they bench or prone shoot as the overall length does not get in the way.

Too bad we couldn't take NY,NJ, and CA....move them together and just start printing flags with 47 states. They all want the same thing.. Let us give THEM their independence from this awful free country

Since these politicians obviously have NO clue what these weapons are.. who are the true authors and what makes them qualified to make distinctions between a firearms capability?

^ RTFT! ^

Its sad that these places "should" be the go to place to dispel legal myths like. Even worse that places/people like that give the good shops a bad rep.

Well being that I got into the game a year ago... and prices were already considerably high then... I had opportunity to get in on some moderately priced deals pre-ct, but you cant fault new shooters that didnt have time to amass a decent stockpile. edit* Not that i dont think people on gun broker are bat shit crazy for paying these prices. Screw them for legitimizing these prices.

Im glad they were so original in choosing their name. No doubt to leech off the established 1MM. On that note im opening a gun shop called "Pauls Arms and Camo".

I for one will not buy anymore until prices drop.. I enjoy the therapeutic benefits of shooting, but i refuse to allow my hard earned money take the hit for it.

This legislation type has been introduced each year for the past few years.. As did the others, it will unfortunately ride out the year in committee and never come to a vote. This is just the rehashed 2013 version so it is on the books.

It most likely never made it out of committee. No committee approval and it doesnt go to a vote

Legalize it, let the so called free market dictate its worth..and tax accordingly. Radically decrease the inundation of costs associated with the penal system with regards to marijuana. The ONLY issue I have with pot being legalized, is the spike in stupidity before this would become an accepted adult recreation like alcohol. Bunch of kids and immature adults getting their fix on the once forbidden fruit..doing stupid shit and affecting innocent people in the process. Once it becomes as common and accepted as alcohol, we go back to our regularly scheduled program called life.