RubberBullets

Custom made .700 WTF rifle loaded with 1132 gr slugs.

Either way an AWB would cause prices to skyrocket.

Two reported dead in mall shooting. updates for the last 30 mins following. http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2012/12/clackamas_town_center_shooting.html "Two people were killed and at least one other was shot by at Clackamas Town Center by a man brandishing a semiautomatic rifle, according to police reports. Emergency dispatchers received reports that a shooting may have occurred near Macy’s and that a man was seen with an AR-15 rifle near the mall’s food court around 3:29 p.m. The man also may be wearing body armor. 4:54 p.m.: Pedro Garcia, 24, of Happy Valley, said he was walking to Panera Bread Co. at the mall to get some sandwiches, “like any other day.’’ He was just outside the mall when he said he heard at least six shots. “But what caught my attention, I could smell the gunpowder,’’ Garcia said. “That’s what pretty much made me run. The gunpowder is what made me react.’’ Soon, several police cars raced up to the mall doors. An officer holding a rifle yelled at him and others to “run, run, run!’’ A staff worker at Panera Bread Co. was standing by the front door, not letting people in or out, Garcia said. Garcia said he ran to his car, where his wife was waiting for him. “It’s pretty crazy stuff. You never expect anything to happen like this,’’ Garcia said. “I’m just shocked that we’re trending on Twitter because of this. It’s horrible.’’ 4:51 p.m.: The Sunnyside Road off-ramp from Interstate 205 has been shut down while police SWAT teams search for a gunman who killed two people at the nearby Clackamas Town Center and left an additional half-dozen people injured. Meanwhile, air traffic above the mall has been restricted while helicopter ambulances are preparing to land so they can ferry critical-care patients to trauma centers. A fleet of ambulances has gathered at the mall while medical teams are performing triage, evaluating the conditions of the shooting victims. At the same time, the Town Center remains on lock-down status while SWAT teams are making systematic sweeps of the stores and corridors. The mall’s theaters have been evacuated and several TriMet buses have arrived to take witnesses away for orderly interviews. The shooting rampage cut short the holiday atmosphere at the mall, instead spreading a pall of horror and shock. According to preliminary reports, a man with a semiautomatic rifle opened fire near Macy’s around 3:29 p.m. The man, who may have been wearing body armor and camouflage clothing, also was seen near the mall’s food court. John Canzano, sports columnist for The Oregonian, reported that as many as 60 shots were fired while he was shopping at the mall. Canzano said he first noticed people “running out of the mall kind of crying and upset.” He stopped a person who said “somebody has an automatic weapon and is shooting.” Crowds of shoppers were seen running from the mall. Others huddled together, crying, while trying to take cover. Some early reports indicated the man was carrying an AR-15 rifle, the semiautomatic, civilian version of the fully automatic, military M-16. Both rifles fire the same high-powered cartridge. It is not clear whether the shooting was the work of a single gunman or if others were involved. One deputy reported that the rifle may have jammed and that a full magazine was found on the floor. An unconfirmed report indicated that the gunman may have killed himself after the shooting. Clackamas County sheriff’s deputies have not been able to confirm the reports. Names of the shooting victims are not yet available. Police have not offered any motive or indicated that the gunman may have announced his intentions. Police agencies throughout the county are answering calls to the sheriff’s office while deputies are investigating at the mall. Â 4:41 p.m.: Isabel Valentine of West Linn was nearly finished with shopping when she heard shots as she was leaving The Body Shop store and heading toward the food court. Valentine, 20, said she and three other customers were led by three employees out of the mall and into the sparking lot through a fire escape. She said it took about 20 minutes for her to reach her car, and she drove from the mall. "The scene outside as I was leaving was just chaos," she told The Oregonian. "Police were everywhere, people were crying and screaming, and we still don't know exactly why this all happened." 4:40 p.m.: At 4:30 p.m., an employee at Avon Bath & Beauty, a store located across from the Macy’s and Forever 21, said she was in her locked store with a customer and the customer’s 18-month-old daughter. The employee, who asked not to be named, said she heard two shots back-to-back, a pause and then at least six to eight in a row. “I couldn’t count because they were going off so quick,” she said, adding that it was clear to her right away what was going on. She said that she began yelling at people to get out of the mall and she started closing up the gate of her store. “People were screaming and pointing and running,” she said, “it was just like your typical American nightmare.” The employee said a mall security guard told her that three people had been shot and that two had died. She said she was told that the shooter remained on the loose and that security said the shooter was alive and likely was in Macy’s or Forever 21. “Police are in here with dogs, they’re heavily armed. They’re finding lots of people hiding, scattered here and there." 4:34 p.m.: Carlos Preciado, a manager of the Clackamas Claim Jumper Restaurant near the mall, said the restaurant is still open, with a few customers eating at the restaurant. Staff are watching TV for updates. He said the restaurant, at this time, will remain open. But the restaurant's parking lot is blocked. "I mean, this is unbelievable,'' Preciado said. 4:29 p.m.: Police are conducting a store-by-store search of Clackamas Town Center, looking for a gunman who killed two people and shot an unknown number of additional victims. The mall has been placed on lock-down status and all the entrances are blocked. Meanwhile, police SWAT teams are making a systematic search of the corridors and stores."

I know I know.. I gotta boost the sarcasm signal on my internet machine

but, but, but... its Illinois gun laws

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/42975-illinios-wins-right-to-carry-lawsuit/page__fromsearch__1

Until there is no more room to safely store them. Then its time to shop for bigger storage capabilities, rinse repeat.

Good analogy. I harbored the same hum drum feelings when a friend had gotten bitten hard by the surf fishing bug. He didnt talk as much about it as i find myself so I understand how someone can get tired of hearing about it.

Wonder how NJMVC would cope with this and their strict standards for license photos for face recognition purposes.

These two things are NOT the same. You folks are creating this "slippery slope" without the details of the case. You/We do not know if the accused is a prohibited person, specific evidence to the case had been mounted via witnesses, exif data of the picture posted (which by the way would be a way to determine WHERE the photo was taken for you sbr in other state folks) and that the police took the correct course of action in investigating, and apprehending the suspect. This is not a step towards communism. Glenn Beck wont be using this guy as a poster child for the facist decline of America. Im sure the police have a vested interest in arresting people with the highest potential for prosecution in cases like this. I know damn well in the FD you get shit from coworkers and supervisors for not doing your job right, im sure pd would be no different. The progression of this train of thought makes me think some folks here would be great in the news media profession... Man falls and breaks ankle on a cracked sidewalk leads to... BREAKING: ARE THE LOCAL GOVT ROAD DEPTS LASHING OUT IN REVENGE FOR CUTBACKS? WE GO UNDERCOVER TO INVESTIGATE IF YOUR TOWN IS ON THEIR LIST OF TARGETS. News at 11.

It wasnt so much this guy that sent the thread off on a 2 pg tangent. More back and forth banter over the unknown and hypotheticals. Im sure this man is an upstanding citizen was an active member in the church and handed out free turkeys to impoverished families during Thanksgiving.

Again^this thought my original statement articulated this and not a possible "what if its legal somewhere else"

I think you answered your own question. If it is illegal no matter where he is there is no excusing his possession of it. If it were a gray area such as whats legal there but not here would be somewhat questionable.

Damn too late.. I was going to suggest you add this link to your email to the Chief Either way..bravo on the dedication and good luck.

I agree. There seem to be quite a good number of Jackson residents here on the forum. A coordinated effort/joint email to the Mayor and Police Chief seems like it might get more positive attention than just one.

Gun Range too loud?

All depends on if the state trooper eying this thread got a warrant for an ip track yet

Yarrrr Matey!! Id certainly not go about telling these scalleywags of the booty i had plundered.. then again..

Insert any shtf action movie scene EVAR! but i agree theres not many reasons for unconventional gripping of a firearm to shoot. However, when I tried out backstrap safeties i found myself gripping excessively making the experience lackluster. I will revisit it someday soon.

That thread will live in infamy on these forums. I came here to make some comment to the effect once i saw the OP

+1 ^this