Kingsoverqueens

I'm not normally concerned about cold. I've fished in driving snow storms...10 degree's out...so cold that the crabs froze when you cut them in half...but I could always dress for the weather. Not sure what to do about tomorrow. Long johns too silly? I mean, it;s going to be 30. Too bad I can't wear my grunden skins...

No, I got it, and I can't disagree with your logic except to offer a different viewpoint, albeit without the experience. The language in the excemption law is fairly clear in my view. If I collect Glocks simply because I like modern Glocks, unless I present a safety concern, my desire (need) to collect Glocks shouldn't be impaired by this law, provided I meet the critera set forth. It's my understanding after reading the law the only reason they are supposed to deny you is if you appear to be a straw purchaser. The bottom line is that their is a process for relief from this stupid law and you and halbautomatish have used it sucessfully. I only wish more people would and suspect they don't because they feel it's an impossible process, which, obvioulsy, it isn't. (1) The application is to purchase multiple handguns from a person who obtained the handguns through inheritance or intestacy; (2) The applicant is a collector of handguns and has a need to purchase or otherwise receive multiple handguns in the same transaction or within a 30-day period in furtherance of the applicant's collecting activities. As used in this paragraph, "need" shall include, but not be limited to, situations where there is a reasonable likelihood that the additional handguns sought to be purchased would not be readily available after the 30-day period, that it would not be feasible or practical to purchase the handguns separately, or that prohibiting the purchase of more than one handgun within a 30-day period would have a materially adverse impact on the applicant's ability to enhance his collection. As used in this paragraph, "collector" shall include any person who devotes time and attention to acquiring firearms for the enhancement of the person's collection: as curios; for inheritance; for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes; or any or other lawful related purpose. If an applicant is a member of an organized gun club; firearms competitors organization; firearms collectors organization; or any other organization dedicated to the acquisition, preservation, or use of firearms for historical, investment, training and competitive, recreational, educational, scientific, or defensive purposes, or any other lawful related purpose, such membership shall be considered in determining whether the applicant qualifies as a collector; or (3) The applicant participates in sanctioned handgun shooting competitions and needs to purchase or otherwise receive multiple handguns in a single transaction or within a 30-day period, and the need is related to the applicant's competitive shooting activities, including use in or training for sanctioned competitions. b. The applicant shall certify, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, the specific exemption sought and the particular handguns to be purchased. This form shall be submitted to the superintendent at the same time as the permit to purchase a handgun, along with any pertinent documentation supporting the need for an exemption. If the information concerning the particular handguns to be purchased is not available when the form is submitted, that information shall be provided to the superintendent as soon as practicable thereafter. The superintendent shall consider the veracity, accuracy, and completeness of the information provided in determining whether the applicant meets the requirements for an exemption pursuant to this section. In considering whether an applicant qualifies as a collector under paragraph (2) of subsection a. of this section, the superintendent shall not consider the number of guns in the applicant's collection. In considering an exemption sought under paragraph (2) of subsection a. of this section, the superintendent shall not consider the merit or validity of the applicant's collecting activities. The superintendent shall not grant an exemption if he finds a reasonable likelihood that the public safety would be endangered by granting the exemption, including but not limited to instances where the applicant may be purchasing a handgun to give, sell or distribute to a person who would not qualify to purchase or otherwise acquire a handgun under the provisions of this chapter. The exemptions set forth in this section shall not be construed and are not intended to authorize multiple handgun purchases where the sole justification set forth by the applicant is that the seller offers a discount for the purchase of more than one handgun.

It's a couple pages of paperwork for the buyer and seller, an envelop and a stamp. I dunno...to me...doesn't seem like a big deal.

Cool! Thanks for sharing your experience. I had a feeling that if you took the time to go through the process it would yeild results. I disagree, however, when you say "especially now," because quite frankly I think right now now it's very difficult to find stock, even of mass produced firearms. I could be wrong, but from what I've seen (and read) the recent run on guns isn't limited to AR's. Couple that with the NICS delays and a case could be made. In your experience (and opinion) is there any downside to applying? Doesn't cost anything, right? No blemish on your record if they say no, right?

You, and the others, make a very compelling argument.

Didn't intend to turn this into a buy sell...but they aren't 22's. One is a 5 shot hammerless, the other a six shot with a hammer. Both are Harrington and Richardson and I believe in 32 cal. They are pretty much part grade guns.

Are you speaking from experience, or assumption? I had looked over the OGAM exemption forms and spoke with one of the investigators at the State Police unit, and from what I gathered, if you can show legal purpose, they aren't going to deny the application. The lady I spoke iwth was very accomodating and indicated (at that time) that the process takes about 2 weeks. This was back in the fall. That aside, it doesn't cost anyting to try.

File for an exemption, you might get it.

Does the retention button operate by your thumb or pointer (trigger) finger?

No doubt they have standing however do they have the resources to dedicate to combing through piles of old guns. I'll give you an example. One of my clients was a retired cop. His house was broken into and his old snub nose revolver was stolen. Many years later the gun was recovered and the insurance company took possession of it (this was in Virginia) and then contact me to contact the client to see if he wanted to buy it back from them. Client wasn't interested in it but offered them something like 50 bucks. They declined and I have no idea what became of the gun. Considering how difficult it is to buy/sell guns in NJ, I don't see this as a viable process, but to answer your question...yes, they would have standing.

No doubt, however, compare the effort/reward involved to properly market a cruddy old top break v getting a quick fiddy from the man, yo. It's a tough decision, but I don't disagree with the points you've made. I'm still in the process of trying to find the knurled end for a mossberg c-lect choke for the .410 shotgun he gave me. It's not worth anything really, but is a fun gun to shoot every now and then. Given this your comments ring true.

Thanks Nick. I appreicate your point of view. It's an interesting perspective, and one that rings home. My interest in buy backs stems from a bunch of old crap that I'm trying to help my father get rid of and raise much needed cash as the same. Funny that you mention top breaks because one of them is a top break, as it happens.

Stats? On what? Is there an implication that guns that are turned in are illegal guns? Again, not trying to be argumenative. Trying to understand the opposition so that I can be better informed.

Why? I'm not trying to be argumenative. I honestly don't know much about either side of the gun buy back discussion and haven't given it much consideration, but from what little I've given it this seems to be one of the area's where it might help our cause, not hurt it. So enlighten me but be nice...I'm a noob.

Guilty as charged. lol

I looked over the notice and it seems legit. They give at least 45 days advance notice for a non renewal. They refer the insured to the state Assigned Risk pool as an option, and AIPSO lists the adminsitators of the MT AR Plan in San Fran at the address listed on the notice.

Stage design submitted yesterday and not a ball buster this time. Gonna be fargin cold on Sunday. I may need some gentle spooning or an occasional hug for warmth.

Welcome. I've enjoyed my stay and I'm sure you will too.

I just sent him an email.

The OGAM exception form need to go to the State PD.

I'm sure he's got an equally canned automatic reply for those in favor, but really, let's not find out. We don't need to give them any support.

Same same. My reply from Menendez arrived today, as did the one from Assemblywoman Handlin and Congressment Smith. All were automated generic reples,just like the one you got. I got an auto reply from Sen Bell of NY and then a personal reply, albiet very short, immediatly after sending my note to him. Makes you want to howl at the moon, doesn't it?

Andrew and I are registered. We both shoot production...me a Beretta 92FS and a M&P Pro 9 for him. Hope it doesn't snow on Friday.

I'll bring some bread or bagels or donuts or something.

My son and I shot one back in October, and our experience mirrors yours. Great group of people. I also had a cluster on one of my stages. IDPA is VERY different than USPSA. I commented to Tom "Man, I screwed the pooch on stage 2." "Yup...you had some issues." funny...