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No. It basically defines passengers who can be collected/discharged the same way as people who can transport in the first place. See below: For the purposes of this section, “deviations as are reasonably necessary” means collecting and discharging passengers whose transportation is permitted under paragraph (2) of subsection b., (A licensed dealer in firearms and his registered employees during the course of their normal business while traveling to and from their place of business and other places for the purpose of demonstration, exhibition or delivery in connection with a sale, provided, however, that the weapon is carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section.) subsection e., (a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location.) or paragraph (1) (A member of any rifle or pistol club [organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice], affiliated with the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety, the National Rifle Association or the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section) or (3) of subsection f. (A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling: (a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or (b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or © In the case of a firearm, directly to or from any exhibition or display of firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any rifle or pistol club, or any firearms collectors club, for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or to the members of the organization or club, provided, however, that not less than 30 days prior to the exhibition or display, notice of the exhibition or display shall be given to the Superintendent of the State Police by the sponsoring organization or club, and the sponsor has complied with such reasonable safety regulations as the superintendent may promulgate. Any firearms transported pursuant to this section shall be transported in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;) purchasing fuel, using a restroom, and contending with an emergency situation.

I have both (my SP is 2 1/4", but it's only about 4 oz lighter than the 4") I say get the GP (well both, but the Geep first). Like BLF said, the heftier GP will make a big difference w/ full house magnums. And like you said yourself, 6 is better than 5. Lastly, like Alec said, look at S&W (then buy the GP, lol)

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No direct experience with the prdner pump, but: I own a 12ga H&R Ultra Slug Hunter that I bought used from a guy that hunted with it a LOT. I took it to the range to sight it in. At 50 yards, off bags, it put 2 slugs through the bullseye. The first shot was so perfectly centered that I thought I was completely off the paper. I then went out to 100 yards and hit about 1/2" off the bullseye to the right (probably user error/flinch), but perfect elevation. It's also really solidly built. Again, not the pump, but a great firearm nonetheless from that company. And speaking of cheapo versions of already cheap shotguns, I also own a couple of Mav 88s. Both are excellent and eat whatever I feed them. Unless you come across some bad reviews, I say go for it.

I guess the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy without a gun.

I don't think you'd get the opportunity to be heard. But don't worry, they've invited a gun owner for the second lecture: "George Faison, partner at the DeBragga gourmet butcher shop, a hunter and a member of The Unitarian Church in Summit." I'm sure he'll explain the importance of standard capacity magazines, CCW and armed self-defense. Well either that, or he'll tell the suburban moms how the 2nd amendment is there to protect sportsman and how he "protects" children by keeping his single shot hunting guns disassembled, each part locked separate safe. #fudds

Ant, great job. The whole message, loud and clear in under 2 minutes. obligatory

Same distance for me as Hamburg, but we drive right past Christiana on our way down to Maryland at least 2-3x/year. Add no sales tax and this looks like a winner.

Learn something new all the time.

OP, this sounds like the right way to go. Both drop off at respective FFL's Monday, they confirm and ship to each other Tuesday, by weeks end you both have your guns. (At which time you discover "box" in 'only put one box downrange' actually meant pallet. Of reloads.) Just kidding. Go with Vlad's advice and good luck.

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Would've voted for the 4" magnum, but you said long guns, so I voted AK. Because AK. That said, 5.45 over 7.62.

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Those aren't regular catalog items or even distributor specials. They were a few hundred of each that Ruger released to Davidson's and were probably overruns from some prior contracts. -------------------------------- As to why someone would want one when they could get the same gun in .357/.38: A. Collectors. It's a different variation and less common, so valuable to them. B. People who wouldn't (or can't) shoot .357 magnums (arthritis, etc). C. Those 3" .38 GPs have adj. sights. The standard 3" only comes with fixed sights. So if you really want an adj. sight 3" Geep, this is it. D. Someone who will only use it as a dedicated, indoors HD gun. The .38 and .38 +P round will get the job done without leaving everyone in the room deaf and temp. blinded. E. Some security/LEO buy their own guns for work. If they want a full size wheel gun but aren't allowed to carry magnums, here you go. F. Or someone who has all the .357 magnum revolvers he wants/needs (except for that TRR8!), really likes Rugers and only loads .38 +Ps when it counts anyway (see 'D' above). Of course in some of those scenarios you could still argue that it's better to get the magnum for just-in-case or resale reasons. But I honestly prefer to shoot the cartridge that the gun is made for, even if a smaller round would also fit. Maybe it's just an aesthetic thing, but I prefer to have dedicated guns for each caliber that I shoot. (not a fan of conversion kits for semi-autos either) Just like how some people only like blued guns. You can argue all day about the advantages and added value of stainless, but at the end of the day, there are things that trump practicality.

Now that that's settled: @gunguy1960: BBL length? Short or full lug? Blue or SS? Price? And of course, what shop?

Thanks. That makes sense and explains why .38 special Ruger GPs and SP101s are marked 38 Special Cal. while the .38 LCRs are marked 38 SPL +P.

To the OP's question (why it's stamped .38 Special Cal. & not +P), I don't know. It's the same with my S&W Model 10 though: can shoot +Ps, barrel says .38 Special CTG.

Yeah, that's pretty much the difference between a club and a business. Both have their place and aren't mutually exclusive. I'm joining CRRC because I believe such organizations contribute, even if just in small ways, to the preservation of our rights and the growth of the firearms/2A community.

I'm helping out with the criminal justice student event in late April.

As far as the process, I can see why they'd want us to do the orientation first. At the meetings, unless you get there pretty early, it's probably tough to get your application, fill it out, make copies of your FPID & NRA cards (or join the NRA if not already a member) and really interact with members before the readings. But at the orientation, you can get your paperwork done without rushing and the folks running it can get a better idea of who you are and they might even introduce you to other members at your first meeting.

Yeah, I got there about 5 minutes after the meeting started (well earlier actually, but parking was tough). Luckily the meeting was so packed that after making way to sign in sheet, I ended up in a side room with some members and got to meet/tell a little about myself. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to get my signatures have my first reading. Bonus- I also met and exchanged info with the VP and I'm signed up for about 3 hours of work time after my 2nd reading.

The .38 special GP100s are usually contract orders for security firms and LE agencies that don't allow magnums. Overruns, reimports and trade-ins are how they find their way into the private market. The guns themselves are identical to the .357 magnums (even the same cylinder). The only difference is that the chambers on the .38s are bored shorter, not allowing the longer .357 cartridge to fully seat. TL;DR: You can shoot .38 +P and +P+ all day with no problem.

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Yeah, the U.K. is really something else. Look at this- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10628124/Good-Samaritan-jailed-for-six-years-for-punching-drug-dealer-who-attacked-woman.html Cliffs: -Drug dealer punches drug user (female) over £40 debt. -Good guy says 'you shouldn't do that'. -Drug dealer stops, starts coming at good guy. -Good guy punches drug dealer twice (once after he went down). -Good guy gets 6 years in jail. -Drug dealer not charged for anything (not selling drugs, not punching the woman, not attempting to assault the good guy) because his "injuries were so horrific". If these lawmakers want to live in that kind of furked up world, they should just move there.

I'm actually a little pissed about the walkers this season. In the early seasons, they were much more about business. If you let them get within a couple of feet, it was straight to scratching and biting. Now every time someone tussles with a walker, it's like the zeke just wants to wrestle.