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Nice!!! are you going to try it?

LOL. I like the idea of APC. Just checked on eBay but none to be found. So where can one acquire such APC you speak of? LOL

So how much weight is a full load out? Just curious, because every little things added up. The challenging hikes I've been on are Virginia Narrow (2 days in knee to waist high water) in Utah, Machu Picchu (4 days) and Kilimanjiro (7 days). I've carried my own gears and without guns and ammo I'm already at 35lbs+ and man.... so it's pretty heavy already. I can't imagine wearing body armor and hauling gears. LOL

LOL ... I agree 100%. But the wife bought the M&P9c because of Falia on YouTube and now she uses it to shoot steel matches and is not very happy with it. By spending a few coins I can make her happy, why not. At least with the new toy, she can't say the it's the ammo or gun. LOL ... I'm going to run the loads that I made already anyway, just to learn, since I'm new to reloading.

LOL ... I actually picked up a PPQ M2 just this pass weekend but didn't have a chance to get to the range. The PPQ came with the tested shots of a target at 15m, it can did 1.5" group with 115gr FMJ. So, instead of trying to develop new loads, I might just sell the M&P9c in the very near future.

I recently had to decided between the 650 and L-N-L as well... and went with the L-N-L after reading a ton of reviews ... and this is what is cost me to setup for 9/45 without the dies and other stuff you already have. Just so you can really compare the cost of a full setup. Hornady Case Feeder Plate(Small Pistol) $34.00 Hornady Lock N Load Automatic Case Feeder(110 VT) $323.00 Hornady Improve Shell Plate ( 30 Luger, 9mm Luger, 9X21, 9X18 Makarov, 38 Super Auto, 9X23) $35.00 Hornady Sure-Loc Die Locking Ring 7/8"-14 Thread package of 6 x 2 $35.58 Hornady Lock-N-Load AP Progressive Press Shellplate #45 (45 ACP, 45 Winchester Magnum) $37.99 Hornady Lock-N-Load Die Bushings Package of 10 $40.99 Total: $507 Hornady Lock N Load Automatic Case Feeder(110 VT) $323.00 Hornady Improve Shell Plate ( 30 Luger, 9mm Luger, 9X21, 9X18 Makarov, 38 Super Auto, 9X23) $35.00 Hornady Lock-N-Load AP Progressive Press Automatic Case Feeder Plate Large Pistol $28.49 Total$ 387 You should take up the offer on trying out the press. I'm pretty happy with my purchase, but I've always wondered if the 650 would have been better.

Thanks for the reply, I'm not trying to make any PF yet. Just trying to get the gun to shot tighter groups from a bag for rest..... LOL ... I'm still a newb to everything. And I totally agree with the statement... "...accuracy was limited by the amount of target left to aim at and the size of the front sight blade." Because I can hardly see the target holding the dot over it. It seems like I just have to try different load till I find something that is 2" at 35' for the M&P9c, which I'll do this weekend.

Good point... thanks for the tip! Yeah... talk about being picky, it's hard not to be picky when I've gone "full retard" and as Nick would put it (spending a lot of money) and rolling ammo that is subpar to factory. LOL ... so I would like to beat the factory load.... but you do have a great point... shoot some factory that I have and just aim to beat them. As of right now, only Shocker and Tony357 has answer the question. What is acceptable "group" to you for a 3.6" barrel at 35'?

Yeah.... I figured... that's why I asked what would everyone consider "tight" from a 3.6" barrel. I kinda feel the same way, I've been looking but just haven't pull the trigger on one yet. I assume you have one? and you're a member of CJRPC also?? *hint hint* ... LOL That's the problem, there are so many possible combinations... LOL ... for example... if I use .02" for OAL, I would have 4 for OAL. Then the powder based on .2 grain will give me another 3+, right there I already have 12 combo. Then I have to worry about different bullets which could be OMFG there are so many and the human factor... sounds like I'm fighting a lose battle trying to get a load that is acceptable. Which brings me back to the question, what is consider "tight" for a 3.6" barrel. At least it will give me something to strive for and know when to stop. But I do appreciate the advice/opinion as I'm a newb so new information is always good.

Thanks for all the feed back, greatly appreciate it. Guess, I will need more development with various OAL and powder weight. I only have WST, Auto Comp and BullsEye for powder. I bought whatever was in stock since supplies are scarce. The only bullets I have are 115gr plated or 124 gr plated. I've never really shot the M&P9c or any pistol from a resting position before with factory ammo except for comparision after I found out my reloads were all over the place. I'm also not trying to get a "bullseye" load, dispite I'm using the BullsEye powder. LOL... That being said, having to buy factory ammo and try to see which produce tightest group doesn't really sound feasible to me. The only factory I have left are Remington UMC 147gr FMJ and Winchester white box 115gr FMJ, will try them next time. I think spending the money on a chrono would be a better investment? Does consistent velocity translate into tighter groups? The rest I'm using is my range bag... LOL ... so there is the human factor, which I totally understand. However, the same loads out of a CZ 75 and P229 are producing groups that 1.75" to 2.25" using the same method. Also, there are some conflicting statement made by different members. Some say need slower powder, some say need faster burning??? some say OAL longer is better, some say not... LOL Is there someone that can take a picture of their target shot with 9mm out of a 3.6" barrel using their "target" load? I guess the question is what does everyone else accept as "tight" out of a 3.6" barrel at 35'? I'll continue to work on the load with single brand brass, make changed at .2gr and .02 on OAL, but I don't really have other materials other than whats on hand so I'm just trying to make things work. I will also shot 10 rds instead of 5 rds for measurement. Can't really justify a Ransom rest, so the range bag will do. Opinion on using a chrono? As for rest, would this work? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007LOX8C/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A19XE0CFLN81HP OR should the money be spend on: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0028MTBJ4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER OR just keep trying?? LOL Thanks again for all the advice!

So, I've just started reloading and trying to roll some for my wife's M&P9c. We're using Extreme 124gr Cooper plates with mixed brass, Winchester primer and BullsEye powder. From what I've gathered online, the primer doesn't make much different and neither does the brass. I've tried the following with 5 round each, rested at 35' (feet). 1. 4 gr with 1.10" OAL - 6" group 2. 4 gr with 1.11" OAL - 6" group 3. 4 gr with 1.12" OAL - 6" group 4. 4.1 gr with 1.10" OAL- 6" group 5. 4.1 gr with 1.12" OAL - 4.25" group 6. 4.1 gr with 1.14" OAL- 6" group (Not sure why this isn't better?) 7. 4.2 gr with 1.12" OAL - 3" group 8. 4.2 gr with 1.14" OAL - 4" group Herter factory - 115gr - 3.5" group So, after the results, I've read that I should always try to load the longest possible OAL without touching the rifling because there is less of a 'jump' from the case to the barrel. Is that true? I've also read that because there is less rifling I may need more pressure? I understand the barrel Is only 3.6" long and the P229 and CZ 75 with longer barrels are giving me 1.75" to 2.25" groups at the same distance. Any suggestions on how I can roll something that will produce "tighter" groups for the M&P9c? Thanks in advance.

Welcome.... Just a reference to time, Jersey City takes about 3-4 weeks to process my FID with P2Ps. My commute time starting from my sofa to my office seat, to the old office by NYSE is 40-45 minutes taking the PATH from Hoboken and Times Square is about 35-40 minutes taking the 126 bus from Hoboken. It might be pretty tough to be under 30 minutes, unless you live right by Hoboken station or Exchange Place.

Depending on price and brand, I'm interested in 2-6k of 9mm 115/124 grain, plated/jacketed.

^^ I like this!! ^^ ... I like to see 4 Vets kick the snot out of punks that can't pick on someone their own size.

Steve from Monmouth Arms can pin the mags for you.

Can non-members of OB attend these events?

Where is the "LIKE" button?

Not sure if this is on your list... VW CC 2.0T It's what I drive and best value in IMO. Stock it is 200 hp with 200 lbs of torque and gets 31 mpg. 13.5 cu/ft of trunk space. I also chipped it and added an intake for less than $1000 .... with the APR chip... 265 hp with 300 lbs of torque... and if I drive like a nerd, cruise control on 55 mph..... I've gotten up to 42 mpg with 40 miles travel distance... with slight hills ... but when I need to go without TCS ... it burns out ...

Let's take a road trip and tag all the gun-grabber's homes!!!! ... LOL And let's email the developer so he can create an app for finding drugs on the streets, hookers, and whatever else crap that will help society!

I think it really depends on the budget and what you're interested in. For me, I like to travel out of the US. Been to Costa Rica, Peru, Ecuador, Turkey, Poland, London, Cambodia, Hong Kong, Vietnam, France..... and a bunch more.... Are you looking to relax or adventure?

I think it's a great if you really break down the cost. Both my wife and I shoot, and we go 1-2 times a month. If I went to Bullet Hole, Bayonne, RTSP or anywhere it will cost me at least $30 an hour for the both of us. I live in Jersey City, but I'm willing to take the drive 1:15 drive down there and we're there for 3-5 hrs each time we're there. That would be $90- $150 each day if we were at a standard range!!! There are the general pistol range, AKA pits, where are awesome. I was debating between OB which is 45 mins away from me, but its so crowded there during the weekend. I can also guest the same friend in for free 2x before they have to join. Either way, I may drive an hour more each time but I have more fun at CJRPC and it does cost less in the long run.

My wife and I will be there for sure. We didn't get to meet you last time.

Yeah. I used them in my Walther P22 amd CMMG AR Bolt kit. Fairly reliable as well. I used to have FTF, FTE all the time with the P22. After a little polish here and there, it feeds like a champ. They work pretty good in the AR bolt kit as well.

Wow, that is pretty damn expensive for some .22LR. The only brand of subsonic .22LR I've tried are : http://www.midwayusa.com/product/386774/aguila-superextra-ammunition-22-long-rifle-subsonic-38-grain-lead-hollow-point-box-of-500-10-boxes-of-50 They DO NOT cycle at all in the P22 or the AR bolt kit, and from my understanding most subsonic won't cycle in semi-auto due to the velocity and energy? You might want to look that up. If you need ammo, I can definitely sell you some CCI Mini-Mags at 1/4 the price per round of Ely.

Honestly, growing up in NYC from the early 80-90s, hanging out with the wrong crowd and military has taught me how fast SHTF can really be. That's why I opt to live in an apartment with only 1 entry/exit point. Unless the perp leaps in through the 6th floor windows or rappel, there is no way in. I also make sure I have solid dead bolt lock(s) and steel door/frame. I like to sit with my back against the wall and always look at the entrance whenever I'm at a public establishment. Most might say I'm paranoid, but after the things I've seen and done, I beg to differ. It's true that people usually investigate during day light hours just to see what is going on and the audible alarm might have scared or induced other unwanted action from the perp. From many post, the video was edit and there was about a minute of physical contact and I guess the 9 minutes where she could have done "something". My wife is 5'1" and 110lbs soaking wet. I doubt there was much she could have done if the perp was on top of her, but I know she wouldn't go out without a fight. I always told her, the first thing do is run and grab anything, a pen, a fork, a spoon, whatever and you go for the vital points, but keep the weapon close to you and don't fully extend your arm so they can't grab it. If you're fortunate enough the get a hold of the machete in the den, don't swing too wide. If you get to the guns, let it rip and think the dude is one of the steel plates that we shoot at. I think Krav Maga is a great option, all the martial without the art. Effective street fighting techniques. Bottom line, as some mention earlier you can prepare as much as you can but there is always Murphy. It's about mind set and being prepared for the worst, and then you hope for the best. Hindsight is 20/20.