Glockguy1120

Plus there's no reason anyone other than the supplier and me should know how much of what I'm buying. It's none of their Goddamn business.

The problem with it is its more bullshit laws that we don't need and won't do anything to make people safe. There should be no give and take, no compromise. We already have some of the strictest regulations in this state. Why do we need more? Everyone should be up in arms or "overreacting" to this. It's already a pita to buy anything firearms related in this state, we don't need extra hoops to jump through. So now when you order 1000 rounds of xm855 at the already inflated price, tack another 25-50 bucks on for the transfer fee. Sounds fair

I've been seeing around 1200-1300. I had the conversion for my g21 back in the day but never got to chrono it. It's hard to find ammo for it. I wouldn't mind a 1911 50 though.

^^^^^^this

I wonder where the .50 gi falls? Edit: never mind. Jesus that thing is slow

Last time is was able to decipher anything in this bill it was only rifled barreled shotguns it was talking about. So basically slug guns. But it didn't make a determination about shotguns that had interchangeable barrels

Like I said, not one person should comply. I most certainly will not. They can't arrest us all

I haven't seen anything concrete excluding muzzlies and slug guns. Not any exact wording at least

I'm not registering anything. And neither should anyone else. For once let's all stand together and say NO!!

Here's the actual wording We're f'ed

More than likely that's what happened

He did tell me they were served with an injunction from mass and the have since stopped shipping any ammo whatsoever to mass. Again just what the guy on the phone told me.

Just relaying what the guy told me. Prob shouldn't have taken a customer service reps word so seriously. Wasn't trying to start false rumors.

So I just ordered ammo from bulkammo.com an when I submitted my order I was hit with a "nj compliancy" page where I had to submit a copy of my fid card since I was buying handgun ammo. I called them up to inquire as to why since I've never had to show proof online before. It was really no big deal, snapped a pic of the fid with my phone and submitted it. Now it's on file and I don't do it again. I was talking to a very nice fellow. He informed me their company has been doing it for a while. When I asked why I've been able to order tons of ammo online without said process he said that the other sites were actually in violation of nj law and could be subject to lawsuit if they were caught. I also asked if he's been hearing about the bs going on now and are they just going to drop nj and he assured me that his company will push the envelope on compliance as long as they can to be able to keep nj residents as customers. At least there's one company/site willing to help us.

Please excuse me if this seems to ramble and jump around as my anger is seeming to get the better of me right now. What I don't understand is everyday I'm in the gun shop or anywhere near any if my gun friends, all I hear is "why doesn't anyone do something", or "when is enough going to be enough?" Well my friends enough has been enough for a long time now. I don't understand why, after all the griping and speculating and cries of liberty and justice, mobs upon mobs of people haven't stormed through Trenton and removed these people by force. We've been putting up with the forfeiture of our rights in this state for far too long. Not one of our forefathers would have any respect for us at this point. I also don't understand why we constantly play by their rules. I understand and respect the platforms and ideas of organizations like the nj2as, nagr, NRA, and others of the like, but the time for playing by someone else's rules is over. They don't respect us, the don't like us, and many on their side have even gone as far as calling for our deaths. We pack assembly halls for meetings, and they ignore our cries. We sign petitions and they scoff at us. We make phone calls, fax, email, and even twitter and Facebook, and they laugh in our faces while they criminalize law abiding citizens by passing embarrassing laws that make us the laughing stock of our growing community countrywide. They take away our 1st amendment rights and remove us from hearings. And we sit back and take it. Too many people have the mentality of, "oh well, as long as I can go to the range once a week and use my muzzleloader for hunting", or "I don't own any guns affected by this", or "ill just never buy another gun", etc. I've got news for you my friends, if this first round of freedom stripping goes through, it's only the beginning. Our "hired" representatives are not doing their jobs. Worse yet they are laughing in our faces the entire time. The time for idly standing by in the back of assembly rooms or hearings is over. No one wants to say it, just as our forefathers were probably just as nervous saying it, but the time to show them we are not going to take it anymore is upon us. The time for showings of force are here. These politicians need to be drug out of their ivory towers by their white collars, tarred and feathered, and paraded around the state so everyone knows we are not to be trifled with. They do not respond to anything we do. Voting does nothing. Why? Because when I was at the polls a few weeks ago, I was there talking to a few friends, and at 35 I was the youngest person I saw walking in for over an hour. No offense to any of the older folk here, but we let this states elections be decided by people who no vested interest in the future of our rights as free humans in this state. No one votes, the voter turn out in my county was dismal. Corzine was proof positive no one cares about who wins. We all thought Christie was different but unfortunately everyone gets duped from time to time. I know I'm saying things that would make a lot of people walk ten steps behind me, but it needs to be said. And I also know it would take a lot more than a couple hundred people. Imagine tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of firearms owners, people pissed off at their taxes breaking the 2% cap, people tired of the double dipping pension bleeders that christie said he would stop but didnt, people tired of hearing about illegals getting in state tuition, drivers licenses, and free car insurance, people tired of hearing about how broke the state is but hearing about Christie's spending 10 million on a special election he's been quoted as saying he would never have but is having anyways, marching through Trenton and taking back our government by force. It gives me goose bumps. I don't know about anyone else, but I've been contemplating a move down south for a while now. It's makes me unbelievably sad to think that I may not have the opportunity to share with my children the same places I fished as a kid, same hot dog joints I went to as a kid, same beach that I grew up at as a kid because my home state has grown so corrupt to the point that it will criminalize its own law abiding citizens to satisfy the criminal personal agendas of corrupt politicians. Sorry guys but today's vote makes me sick to my stomach and my brain is going a million miles a minute. I didn't mean to rant, but I mean every word. Dying to protect my rights and the future rights of my children is not something I'm afraid of. Gotta go order some evil online ammo while i still can.

I'm really hoping that since these asshats didn't even acknowledge Christie's panel, he'll hold one of his usual grudges and veto them all just to spite them.

I can't recall but were there provisions for sluggers and muzzleloaders?

I know this question gets asked every thread, but what's the next step? Are we relying on christie at this point to veto this crap or are there more chances.

Every long gun I've bought in pa, aside from FTF, has required nj paperwork. Pa requires a dl and as soon as they see you're from nj they break out the jersey forms. Handguns require a ffl transfer on top of that. But as far as ammo, I've bought tons from pa stores and since they don't require ANY paperwork or id for ammo, I've never been asked for either. I once bought 2000 rounds at cabelas and they rung it up as if I was buying beef jerkey. That's why I don't think this bill will have too much affect on anything since there's no way to enforce it or monitor it.

Neither. Revolt

I can't remember ever having to show anything anywhere online to buy ammo like I do at the store. I don't think any vendor is going to care just as they do now. Plus not one store in pa that I've been to in the last ten years has ever asked to see state id. I know friends from jersey that routinely go to pa and buy 30 round pmags from stores that know they're from jersey and no one has ever had a prob. I think the online sales thing is moot. I don't see how they could ever enforce it without monitoring everyone's Internet activities. Plus like its been stated, our laws mean shit across the border so the vendors can't be held liable for us breaking a bs law.

8 rounds? I thought it was 10

Absolutely disgusting.

I'm lost in the gibberish. So .50 cal muzzleloaders and slug guns were made exempt or no?

So what's the next step? How long until our fid cards are no longer valid.