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As it falls into grey territory, but there is movement in the stock, anyone know? Basically turns it into a full auto. Not that it comes in handy in accuracy or our 15 (for now) mag limit, but set up to shoot elsewhere would be fun.

Try a dry run. Holster a unloaded. Pocket a stub/hole knife. Have a friend run at you from say 15 feet and try not to back up, as if you have a wall behind you. The reality of both will surpise you. Do the same at arms length say on an unloaded pistol. Make your move to deflect and see if the trigger is pulled in time ... it can't be done .. even knowing your gonna try it. Lets not even get into the fact that now your hand is on the gun .. leverage.

Love the ESEEs. Don't overlook Ontario knives. I think they where once together than split. Same/similar models, a pretty big diff in price, but no Izulas there.

IMHO and Experience and I train with a lot of POs .. yes. Also, they even are unsure themselves on concealed vs non. I think the only time you'd get harassed is if your shadey, or have a run in with a PO with a bad disposition. Yep johnott, the laws are poorly written. Even the term gravity knife is taking on its own meaning ... now a stud assist or a spydie hole .. in the eyes of one with an agenda, can get you in a pickle. Once they view it as a weapon, then the concealed vs non concealed. How they come to that decision is up to the PO. I go about my business with at least 1 knife on me 24/7. I do think though where I'm going and am. Example, had to go to court for something, had a knife and a mini ASP keychain on me .. forgot. Was standing before the fellas so too late to turn and went for it. "Hi guys" pulled out and put my knife and keys/asp on the tray .. "how's it going" ... through the metal detect .. knife no problem ... they stopped me for the mini asp. (Actually a serious charge to carry one, even a small one) I think plastic kubotons are still OK, but not metal or collapsible. Would have been sticky but more small talk ... "I train with some of you guys at so and so's ... you know John at the academy .. yadda yadda" and "see you later guys!". Now, always think and have keys on quick release. Even driving, if I think there might be a cop behind me, I pull out my knife and put it in the console, along with the mini asp. If I go anywhere where there is security, or might be, I dress down appropriately ... keys only and a less conspicuous knife, and less expensive in the event of a forfit. Granted, there are at least a dozen knives in my truck anyway at any given time with the sharpening biz, so I can choose on the fly. Bottom line, even most of the POs are not positive, but know they can screw your day up if they wanted to.

Refer to Rule #1 to determine rule #2.

Looking good Glad I could help. You like the fit and feel? The 1" pad is good for that little extra, very cushy also. That Entry length snaps right up to the shoulder for me, whole diffrent animal than the NJ stock.

Only using it will tell. I have not heard good or easy things with those style wrenches. But then again, you can make anything work! I just replaced my forend on a 870 with needle nose instead of a spaner wrench.

Anytime. I think you'll be happy. If you need it to grow, you know you got room.

Enjoy and stay dry!

No extension, just an extra 1/2 with the 1" pad. Shirt arm length in the 32 range and thick chest, let alone if I have a vest on, so for me the size is perfect. With the Entry Stock, if you decide to go with it, you know you can get 9" if you go extension and 1" pad. Next step up is the ARFX. Same as an A2. ARFX I believe is 9.9". EDIT: So ARFX-E, no extension and 1/2" pad is 7.5." 1" pad 8" Pad and extension 9". The edit is more realistic in numbers rechecking. What is cool you can transition this thing from Entry to Skeleton from 7.5" - 11.5" depending what you add. So with the right pieces, its like a collapsible as long as you know your preferred length. Check this out: Add a 1" pad to the lower stock and you'll get to the boottom screw of the top one. Roughly 8.5"

Very nice!

Mosin, The ARFX I believe is the standard A2 length. The Entry at 7" and 1" pad is about where the first possition of a collapsed stock is. Hope it helps. I find it extremely comfortable. Transition to shoulder is short and sweet, no muss or fuss.

No, the shorter ARFX-E and got a 1" pad replacing the one that came with the kit. Everything else is there, Careful on what wrench you get. That Tempco (?) does not work on the M&P 15 Had to grind it, file it, sand it and it still killed and scratched everything. The Nut is also notched so adds to the dificulty. Find a good wrench that will work, or, if your not worried about the original buffer & nut, screwdriver, pipewrench, whatever it takes to tap it out. Also a heads up. I went with the Ace Clip sling mount as I couldn't find a better option. GG&G plate does not work with this stock. I might explore the Magpul http://store.magpul....oduct/MAG504/51 MSA attachment and see if I can screw it to the stock without a backing plate. If the Ace Clip holds, don't see why not, though the Ace uses a thinnut to snug down the whole assembly so you can pick the dirrection. If you go with the &" Entry, an option if too short is http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-forend-parts/buffer-tube-parts/buffer-tube-hardware/ar-15-buttstock-extender-ar-15-stock-extension-sku231-000-009-5559-12961.aspx . For me, the stock + 1" Pad is perfect.

M&P 15 Sport UTG Quad LaRue rail covers Cheapo offset light holder JetBeam BC25 Magpul RSA Sling attachment Magpul Foregrip Magpul PMAG 15 rnd 20 body magazine Vortex Sparc Scope Hogue Rubber Grip Ace 7" Entry Stock Kit with 1" pad and Ace Clip sling mount Much, much more comfortable for me than the pinned stock. 2 point sling VTAC is a dream with this The Ace kit was from Model1Sales.

Trying to stay on budget Thing is, the light is a bit offset, and have stubby hands. They actually fit pretty well and my thumb is set back right next to the light. Once I catch up on everything and more ammo, will definitly explore it BTW. THe LaRue clips are amazing. Solid and ergo perfect.

My first AR-15. Took a while to get everything but happy so far Thank you all for the input and info!

Finally got it together. Thanks to all for the help and input!

I think they were just in awe Texan. It was funny sit. Just a thought, i got spackle knives that can cut a throat. So ridiculous how these laws or views get from the state.

Nice steel. Even if not practical, the zombie knives are pure joy!

So, after all the figuring problems with pinning an STR (called magpul on that, they said its a PITA and not easy as they now pin the compartments in place so you have to cut/remove them then put back) and other adjustable stocks, just decided to go with a short ACE 7.25" fixed stock with a GG&G sling attachment at the lower for my HK clipped sling. Will be at about the first setting on an adjustable in length. I didn't get it for long range shooting anyway, CQB. Waiting for parts. Next up will be something like an AR-10 for long range. Down the road. I hate these NJ BS rules that have no rhyme or reason. Should go from the longer to the shorter:

I'm assuming since its new and bought in NJ, I'm in the post ban longer buffer tube category. So I'm gonna need to replace it with a shorter CAR extension, and I can't simply tap it out and redrill the old one correct? Assuming I go with a Magpul STR, all I would need is something like: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=27440/Product/CAR-15-M4-RECEIVER-EXTENSION-TUBE Remove old tube and hardware, replace with new CAR extension tube while still using the extisting original buffer and spring from the longer tube. Slide on the Magpul STR, drill it out at desired position and pin it with a roll pin. Does that sound about right? Sorry again for all the questions ... newb on this.

One of the things that has me mixed up. I read that the spring and all needs to be replaced, as they made it impossible to shorten with it for "safety" sake! I'm scratching my head on that ... what the spring is so big I can't redrill? And if so, I can't snip the spring to X amount? Or is the tube so long that is it...? New to this so don't get it. Most I've read says you need a complete kit and the tube is not the "real" tube and spring for a M&P 15 Sport. Thus the confusion.

Much appreciated Krdshrk! I like that stock, been eyeing it up, like most of Magpul's stuff. Solid. Now is there a recommended buffer tube assembly that you or anyone would recommend and would fit a M&P 15 sport? I'm still not sure on Commercial or Mil Spec, I've read both I can probably drill tap and pin it myself, but when I bought the carbine, I was told it had to be modded by a liscensed gunsmith??? If so, that's OK, gotta do what I have to do. Just want to get all the parts ahead of time and ready. Anyone match an M&P 15 Sport with a Magpul STR and a particular buffer tube assembly? While I'm perstering folks, the shite tapco wrench I bought was worth shite. Had to mod it to fit the castle on the M&P, needless to say, it got some nicks .. no biggie .. wear and tear is part of the game. But while I'm buying ... is there really one good one? I've read a bunch, and the best ones seem to slide up the tube .... that's out for NJ legal if I need to change

I've been looking around and have found a 100 different answers. Confusion on how short I can go, (shorter the better .. T-Rex arms), Commercial VS Mil Spec, its specially made so you can't shorten it without replacing the whole enchelada. Anyone have the defacto lowdown on this. I liike the Magpuls: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-ACS-Milspec-Stock-BLACK-p/mag370%20%20black.htm As Well as this Mission first: Now, does anyone know exactly what I need to replace, what I assume to have to do, the whole shebang leading to the lower. From what I've read I need everything from tube, spriongs, etc. Just want to shorten the whole backend, and is there a length limit to it all in NJ that I need to worry about. Much thanks in advance. Have seen setups that are intersting but am looking for some storage and versatility. Any favorite setups you fellas have would love to hear about or see ... I'm low on experience on these. I do know I like shorter ... stocky boy, big chest but short arms, for me the closer the better. If they have sling options, can't hurt I figure even though I'm set on my sling point at the end of the lower on a 2 point.