mattio41

I was going to say, the original post was viper, and I am pretty sure that is what I bought. Now I have to go to my cabela's account and check it out...

Potential scenario: 2 people enter your establishment to transfer a firearm. It was only day available for the two individuals schedules. NICS is down or delayed. Does seller take firearm with him until NICS comes back? Does FFL hold onto such firearm? If individuals can't arrange schedule to meet again for 2 weeks, does NICS expire after certain time? You can clearly see where a burden on two individuals who have already been vetted and are legal FID holders are now forced to spend additional resources to sell an item that is ready in private hands.

I started researching this morning, and plan to read more

And by the way, he was not aware of any of that information, which only confirmed to me, that they did not speak with private enterprises before writing such legislation. In addition, having such extra charges would result in a "Gun Tax" per se, if you wanted to sell a private firearm.

The genius of the above questions is, that yesterday, I was at the senate for the vote. When the vote was over, I was able to speak with Sweeney for a moment. I had already explained several flaws in his legislation prior. But I brought up to him that the Federal requirements for any FFL that conducts a transfer, are required to maintain and warehouse those records for life. In addition, most FFL's charge a far higher rate then 15 dollars. And that the way his legislation is written, it would all nut ban private transfers between individuals, that most FFL's would not accept a FTF transfer of private individuals that they were not a party to the transaction if they were restricted by such measurements. I plan on doing a more in depth study to this of the pitfalls and downside to report back to the senate of why the law is flawed, and should be removed.

I am asking for specific responses in regards to this question. In Senate Bill. S2723 it says for the following for both Rifles/Shotguns & Pistols. 21. N.J.S.2C:58-3 is amended to read as follows: 2C:58-3. a. (1) Permit to purchase a handgun. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, nor receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a handgun unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or has first secured a firearms purchaser identification card and a permit to purchase a handgun as provided by this section or possesses a valid New Jersey firearms purchaser identifier embedded with information affirming that the holder is qualified and eligible to purchase a handgun. (2) A person shall sell, give, transfer, assign, or otherwise dispose of, or receive, purchase or otherwise acquire a handgun pursuant to the provisions of this section only if the transaction is conducted by or through a retail dealer licensed under State law or a Federal Firearms Licensee. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply if the transaction is: (a) between members of an immediate family as defined in subsection m. of this section, including a temporary transfer between a member of the military being deployed and a family member; (b) between law enforcement officers; © between collectors of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) who have in their possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; or (d) a temporary transfer pursuant to section 1 of P.L.1992, c.74 (C.2C:58-3.1) or section 1 of P.L.1997, c.375 (C.2C:58-3.2). (3) Before a transaction under this subsection is conducted, the licensee shall complete a National Instant Criminal Background Check of the person acquiring the handgun. In addition: (a) the licensee shall submit to the Superintendant of State Police, on a form approved by the superintendant, information identifying and confirming the background check; (b) every licensee shall maintain a record of transactions conducted pursuant to this subsection, which shall be maintained at the address set forth on the licensee’s license for inspection by a law enforcement officer during reasonable hours; © in addition to any fee the person receiving the handgun is required to pay for a NICS check, a licensee may charge a fee of up to $15 for a transaction conducted pursuant to this subsection; and (d) any record produced pursuant to this subsection shall not be considered a public record pursuant to P.L.1963, c.73 (C.47:1A-1 et seq.) or P.L.2001, c.404 (C.47:1A-5 et al.). b. Firearms purchaser identification card. Question1 As a FFL, would you take the responsibility of conducting background checks for private individuals doing a FTF transfers? Question 2. If you are limited to a specific fee that you can charge for this service, would that be acceptable, or would you just not provide the service? Question 3. What dangers or pitfalls can you imagine, of performing FTF Transfers for other individuals. Question 4. If you were to agree to to background checks. What requirements would you insist on from the two parties? Question 5. Should it be your responsibility to determine if the gun is legal to be transferred. Question 6. Has any Government representative consulted with you or your company prior to trying to make this part of the law. Question 7. What legal liability would this impose on you, if you chose to perform such actions. If you have another question that should be included, please list, and i will edit the original post. In addition, please try to keep other chatter out of the thread as much as possible. Thank you for your cooperation.

First of all, this bill is a long way of passing. It has to first get reconciled in the Senate, then it has to go to the Assembly. If they Ratify it, then it has to go back to the Senate again. Eventually, after all of that, it will have to go to Christie. Christie has the option to veto it conditionally. Meaning that he will Veto the bill, but if certain changes are made, then he might sign it. So, he can pull out a couple of points, veto the bill. send it back to the assembly and senate to battle it out. In the end, Christie can justify his actions, that he felt the bill infringed on the legal rights of the New Jersey Resident. but he would be willing to compromise, knowing, that no compromise may ever happen. So don't cut off your nose to spite your face at the moment...

what i do, is put a few things in my cart, that i want, but dont purchase until something like this comes up. as an example, I had 2 boxes of Home Defense Shotgun Ammo just waiting. So my shipping cost came out to 8.95. Which spreads the cost, when you are limited to just 1 box of something.

Stupidity knows no boundaries...

Now Now DL75, I know for a FACT you have handled her "Barrels" before.....

HAHAHA, Apparently she is like the whore at the Town Social.. She is "EVERYBODY'S" Cow Gun, but she has only ONE PAPA !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

So Steve at Monmouth Arms has had this for a few months. The day he got it I saw it and told him that was my gun, and he was not allowed to sell it. Well, today we brought the new addition home to the family. Legacy Firearms - Escort Model 12 gauge over and under. Or as Steve and I call it, the "Cow Gun" 18.5" barrels. Yes it's a polymer but more important is it is cool !!! Hahaha Now, I get to teach my wife how to go to the back window and blast off a couple rounds if she hears anything. Thanks "Smiling Joe" for the advice...

The top one is working, but here it is again.

Linda Greenstein is the last voice you hear, when she says "That's the line they developed"....

@Dirtydigz HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Before I post in the General WTT section. I have some 9mm UMC that I am willing to trade for 22lr (NO GOLDEN BULLETS). If your close, and want to trade. Let me know.

just got my shipment notice last night...

When you cant close your safe anymore..... HAHAHA, I have hit critical mass at this point. It is amazing, how a few boxes, here, and a few boxes there. Just seams to add up to a lot of boxes.....

If as you say is reinforcing points for them. Then I would have to believe, that would open this law up to a court challenge to be overruled.

I testified about this yesterday, and had come up with just a few while i was trying to read the bill on my phone. I am following up with a letter to senators who had sponsored. Please list what you think would be a direct effect if you had no way of proving to somebody that you are in fact a FPID holder. Here is what I came up with so far. Why a Separate FPID Card Must be Mandated * NJ FPID’s are required to be able to purchase ammunition both in person and over the Internet. No company who is not based in New Jersey, will have the technology to decode our bar code. Nor should we expect them to have so. It will make it impossible and basically place an artificial ban on New Jersey Residents. * Out of State purchases will essentially be banned. New Jersey residents will essentially be banned from purchasing any firearm, modern, historical, or collectable. It will be impossible for a New Jersey Resident to provide proof of his/her eligibility to do so. * Selling or transferring ammunition amongst individuals. New Jersey Law already requires that the sale or transfer of Handgun Ammunition that the individual purchasing is required to provide a NJ FPID and Matching Drivers License. Section 9 (New) of this bill will now require the same of Rifle and Shotgun ammunition. Having an encoding on the back of the Drivers license, will once again infringe upon individuals to trade and sell amongst each other, thus creating an artificial ban of selling ammunition, and giving to licensed dealers a Monopoly. *** Emergency situations *** Blackout/Hurricane Sandy Experience.

Take some time, work up what you want it to say exactly. You can email it directly to me or to Frank Fiamingo [email protected], put on copy Bob Barush [email protected], and copy me at [email protected]. We will have everybody review it for content. Offer suggestions, etc... If agreed upon, I will design a flier for you to print with all the graphics, to make it a more official document. It is not a bad idea, overall..

PRINTABLE PDF OF FLIER HERE. Black and White Friendly April_30th.pdf

Here are the bills... Gun Bill Legislation April 30th.zip

As we all know, NRA has abandoned NJ. Meanwhile, over at the NJ2AS the Fires are burning hot with fighting the new legislation coming out. Both in the public and behind the scenes.. But we as private citizens also have a civic duty all on our own. Who do we start calling, faxing, emailing, posting in regards to this outrageous INFRINGEMENT on our Rights... Is it the Super Attendant of the NJSP, is it the Attorney General of NJ, Is it Gov. Christie ?? Well, I say, we start addressing all of them. And while we are at it. We should bombard Senator Loretta Weinburg at the same time, with how we are currently being infringed, and how she wants to do more....

You should have received am invoice. Send me am email to [email protected] and let me cross reference what we have received