jackandjill

Oh, what a relief. Word on the street is, all those masked Thugs doing day time breakins were worried about following the smart gun law </sarcasm>

"What's good for the goose is good for the gander," Whenever its available, deploy to security detail of politicians first, then police, then military and then Citizens.

Not so sure. Even Animals can feel it when you stand your ground. I am not for frivolous lawsuits, but love it when guys can make living suing the hell out of town for every harassment. They generally get the message after first one. But for cities like JC, it may take few of those.

This got me thinking....could a Funnel considered a mag by NJ definition of Mag ?

Old G beat me to it. Only "Justifiable" for a regular citizen in NJ is to be dead meat. But then you dont have a "Need" any longer, so NO.

The student suggests that until we right the wrongs of the past, society should get used to “sporadic muggings and break-ins.” ------------------------------- I have better idea. I am taking donations from all those who consider themselves "affluent" and suffers from guilt. They dont even have to go through muggings and beak-ins.

I ordered complete lowers too with no problems, and the full rifles. Unless there is a specific buttstock they had issues with, I was never told about NOT shipping anything to NJ FFL.

PSA wont ship lowers to NJ ? When did that happen ? I have ordered all sorts of things from them and never had issues.

I always thought Chief sets the rules of the game at the local PD. What good comes out of talking to the Chief about something that Chief is already aware of and is the one responsible ?

Short term fix, daisy chain them.

Once the kiddie program runs for couple years, it could be extended to adult learning program with a certificate to hang on the wall. In fact, local PD could run the range and make money. Community relations will improve. Even the folks who are hung up on "well regulated" could be satisfied. A reasonable person would think that's acceptable to anti2A crowd. I bet antis wont be for the plan. Because they are anything but logical. They dont want anything short of confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.

Ok, let me bite the bait. There is something we can do. Just like sexed, drivers ed, setup firearms ed starting middle school at no cost to parents. They will learn about firearms, how they work, safe handling, assembly, disassembly etc. They can also learn to put together few pink ar15s and ar10s. Just like football fields, every town could have a firing range for practice, competition shooting and we could have championships. How about that ?

The question should be, is NJ a special snowflake ? In the rest of the country, from the time you step outside and to the time you come back home, you have likely met THOUSANDS of people who are armed with CCW. Nothing bad happens. There is no "deaths and injuries of innocents that result...." . If you have been to Chicago or Newark, more likely than not, you have met few hundred who CCW illegaly. Think about that. Someone made comment on this thread that made me fall off my chair. (S)He was worried about apartment neighbor *accidentally* shooting a bullet through the shared wall and training could help such situation. How creative you have to be to come with that stuff In fact, far more "deaths and injuries of innocents..." happen due to simple fall, slips, cars, falling branches, acts of nature, choking on a hot dog, choking on stuff... on and on.. People have far too much time on their hands to make this a far bigger issue than it is. P.S, With all due respect, you almost sound like someone who would be gladly accept 2A restrictions in the name of innocents, children and meaningful solutions. PS2: You are also "baiting" so someone here would say they accept your conclusion as "price" we must pay. Not happening. I WILL NOT accept a lost life as price for 2A freedom. Its the other way around. Having 2A freedom SAVES lives, consequently GIVING IT UP results in someone having to pay that price. Are you willing to pay the price of an innocent life for NOT having 2A right of self defense ?

Thanks to all who offered to help. Luckly I got one for better price local in central jersey. I drove it from Bridgewater over 78 and GSP, in Friday traffic. Loved it. Lesson(s) learned: 1. Think twice about picking up the bike on cold(er) day 2. Riding MC makes you experience wind chill like never before. I almost froze to death on the ride at 55-65 mph 3. Dress properly for the ride 4. Loose fit jackets makes you almost fly out of the bike :-) 5. Proper gloves are VERY important 6. Remember the MSF lessons and apply accordingly

Getting there is the challenge :-). Will see if I can get someone to bring the car back.

I am buying a motorcycle , from a dealer in York, PA. Its about 200 miles each way from where I am (Bergen County). Anyone driving or know someone who can bring the Motorcycle ? I will pay something reasonable.

Great advice all around. I have to start somewhere and this not going to be my last bike. Inclined get a used, light bike to ride around town before going big. I work about 20 minutes from home, all local roads. Got a decent deal on 2013 Honda CBR 250, used, 3K miles and bought it. It has good gas mileage too. I am sure I will get either bored or will grow out of it in no time. Also had word with a forum member here so will be on look out for anything else that comes along for decent price. So for now, CBR250 it is.

Walther PP, eagle over N. 1940 I am told.

I may have missed it, what is your current ride ?

So PA MAY become NJ. How is that even relevant. Since when not doing anything because someone in future MAY do something is acceptable ?. If thats the case, we might as fold now and give up.

General public getting concealed carry along with reciprocating agreement will set a precedent and create huge roadblock against further infringement in future. Oh, on the topic, we still have that AWB. Anything can happen anytime in future. Thats not an excuse for not doing anything about it now.

Can NJ FFLs receive and process direct international imports ? ATF FAQ says any FFL can do the Form 6 processing for someone else (general public). Any recommendations on FFL who can do the import work ? either in NJ or outside.

We did go out and vote. And we got Republicans into office. I am going to bet that we will NOT get National Carry or NJ carry through politics no matter how many Republicans we put in office. And courts will take YEARS if not generations before they grow a pair and rule in favor. And it may never happen. Mr. Christie could have the NJ AG right the wrong in no time. In the name of justice and equality, he could also have the AG write up reciprocating agreements with other states in honoring conceal carry. He has so much opportunity to help and take advantage but he choose to do nothing, even after recent elections show majority support for Republicans nationwide.

Because the career criminal who drops people for living is scared of Prosecutor adding dumb gun possession charges </sarcasm>

In my humble opinion, people tend to think in terms of "me, my loved ones, threats to my family" etc and lose sight of what happened in last 1000, 500, 200, 100 years and what will happen in that timeline in future. People (including me) also tend to look for solutions in things they can control (like law abiding citizens) than confronting the realities of what they CANNOT easily control, for e.g criminal with no regard for law, training or 100 other controls already in place. Put them together, we have what we have in NJ when it comes to 2A. Ability to defend self (and community) is not an issue of you, your family, your lifespan but should be seen as an issue for mankind (and every living thing out there in fact). Similarly, ability to form, control and defend a governing structure that is BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE is an issue for mankind. Regardless of your personal insecurities, what may (or may not happen) to you, your loved ones - ANY infringement of 2A (and freespeech, due process etc) is a threat to mankind for ALL the future to come. Enough said.