ryan_j

Take out the big cities, NJ is more conservative than you think, just not on certain social issues. Again, I say, the biggest problem is that the superior court has the power to grant or deny. Given that in all of these cases the local PD approved the permit before it was turned down by the court, this is absolutely true.

Well in all reality, you do know that even supposedly anti gun NY and CA have places that issue permits, right? That's because they have local control.

I know it must be nice to be a naysayer but how about giving us a real solution?

They would prefer no guns, but smart guns is close enough to no guns that they would take it. And I absolutely REFUSE to have a kill switch on my guns because you know this will be one of the side "benefits..."

I would never do that. At times I've called the non emergency number and they don't answer the phone.

That sounds more like it. First pistols will be going out October 21 and they are throwing a free 7 round mag with X-tension.

I have a very slight form of tinnitus at very high frequencies. I always hear a faint hissing in the background. I've mostly learned to tune it out.

It's absolutely rancid to think that "a well regulated militia" and "the right to bear arms" is confined to one's home. Think of the absurdity of that for a minute. That said, even if we don't get full shall issue, let's talk baby steps. First and biggest hurdle would be to get the superior court out of the permitting process. This will start the ball rolling. Let Sheriffs issue the permits. Many of them are pro gun and they are elected. Then we can go from there. We won't get a system like Florida, Utah or Arizona but we can get something acceptable. There has to be a medium between "no guns" and "dodge city" that we can agree on.

Would any of you have a problem if Brian Aitken stood next to you at the range? He is a convicted felon (who had his sentence commuted by Governor Christie.) Or what about a guy who wrote a few bad checks? Or some guy who got caught playing around with a sling shot? There are felons and there are violent criminals. One doesn't necessarily equal the other.

No I was talking about this being a legal forum and a legal debate. I feel so left out for not having a law degree and a law license like you guys.

I wish we had one with balls like that.

The AG can make this law moot by not determining that smart guns are viable and trigger the threshold for banning "dumb" guns. But I'm not really confident about that since the AGs appointed by Christie like gun buybacks and hate right to carry.

For the love of God... really?

Jeez guys. Of course there is hope. These things take time. This is a small setback in a much bigger fight. I'm not prepared to give up yet. First of all, there are more cases. The Hawaii case is more like the Illinois one and that has a better chance. Secondly, don't discount the legislature. If we can somehow get enough seats we can do this. Don't say it's impossible. It's only impossible if you believe it is. Thirdly there's federal law. If we can get a federal carry law that will solve the problem. We almost had it quite a few times. It's within reach. Stranger things have happened. We will win this someday. I have hope.

Not trying. Passed already. The law has been in effect for about 10 years now, signed into law by Jim McGreevey.

Time to buy as many "dumb" guns as you can. When they're in short supply you'll make a mint.

Thanks, so I guess no Taurus Judge for me.

Agreed 100%. Don't even approach the firing bench. Don't handle firearms unless they are in a case and behind the firing line.

Looks like non-resident permits are a go in NY state, but I am not sure if it's just for dual residents or non-residents who don't have a residence in the state. http://www.scribd.com/doc/176284968/COA-decision-Osterweil-v-Bartlett Dan Schmutter was the attorney. Dan is also an attorney who works with NJ cases and NJ2AS.

Some good-ish news if you believe no news is good news. This was not in this morning's denial orders. So either it was held or will be denied later in the day.

Drake might be heard next term (if at all). The court takes what it takes and they are looking for clear circuit splits. I don't really see that since Illinois was about an outright ban and not about may issue.

Certiorari DENIED in the Maryland case so it's not going to the US Supreme Court. Next case to be petitioned is our case (Drake v Filko) although at this point it seems that this one will be denied as well.

Yeah these guys are a hoot. You should see their vid about the mosin nagant.

And guess what - LEOs are not exempted except for their duty weapons.

Screw that. I'm keeping my dumb guns THAT WORK.