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scary, ain't it?

even then, if the feds wanna see what's in here, they will easily come in and look.

some people in the govt(antis) think that the un has this say. they think that the president(i use that title very loosley) makes it law. but the senate has to ratify it for it to have any teeth. and even the dumbocrats wouldn't do that. yet.

shayanne roberts father. he writes for ammoland too.

do you do farcebook? find dan roberts over there......get him in touch with those that can confirm her window previously being shot out. he;s on this like white on rice right now. needs anything/everything he can get his hands on information-wise

dumb question....what's TLS?

i suspect that this will lead to bad things for us. on my way out the door this morning, i read a headling saying something like " bill proposed to speed permits for those in danger" or something like that.

it is being controlled. "they" are using its cuteness to spy on your every move.

from Mr Roberts.... Ok, so, this is what I've managed to find out today. I spoke to the Berlin Twp Chief of Police this morning, who referred me to the Camden Co Prosecutors Office Spokesperson, but did answer a few questions. He confirmed that Ms Bowne applied for an FID Card and two Pistol Purchase Permits on April 21st. He denied local media reports from neighbors that there had been a noticeable police patrol presence in the neighborhood ( including one patrol car allegedly parked for hours around the corner from her home) in the last week or two leading up to the murder. He referred questions regarding if there was an ongoing history of police responses to Ms Bowne's home address for DV issues or any other reason to the PIO for the Camden Co Prosecutors Office I left a voice mail for the PIO at Cam Co Prosecutors Office late this morning, identifying myself as an independent journalist writing for a National Website and had some basic questions. Also stated I was on deadline and would appreciate a prompt response. Crickets thus far. I even tried to call the guy back again an hour ago, straight to voicemail. After an hour of the NJSP Firearms Unit, the NJSP PIO Office and the State AG Criminal Justice Division Office all passing me off to each other like a 5 dollar Vietnamese hooker, I have yet to receive any reply from ANY of the aforementioned pertaining to average length of time to process, receive and distribute to the appropriate LEO agency the electronic fingerprints. No response from anyone as of yet. As I stated in another post, I have it on VERY reliable sources that barring any computer down time, unusual names, false positive hits or other unpredictable delays, the average time for the collection, bulk transmission to the FBI, background check and distribution to the appropriate agency is 7 to 10 business days. I spoke briefly with the PIO for Morpho Trust ( formerly Morpho Track, owned by a French conglomerate named Sagem Morpho) and explained that I was trying to understand the process and if it was true that the individual records were collected in the satellite offices, electronically transmitted to a central collection center in Florida and then batch transmitted to the FBI for processing. I also asked if this process was done in real time or " near real time" as most people would believe when dealing with emailed records or if there might be an inherent delay in the process waiting to transmit in bulk to the Feds. He promised to find out the answers and get back to me. Nothing as of yet. I spoke to a very close friend that is a former Chief of Police in South Jersey who was Chief a few years back during the transition phase from the old fashioned paper print cards and US Mail over to the current system. He stated to me that even under the old way, again barring any unusual circumstances, Fed Holidays and the like, the process would routinely be wrapped up with results in hand within 5 to 6 weeks. He also told me that during the transition to the current system, he was told by either his Sgt that was in charge of administering it OR possibly by a Trooper, that the new system would cut the process down to a few DAYS ! Now, here's where things get interesting. I did receive a reply from the PIO for the FBI CJIS ( Criminal Justice Investigative Services Div /NICS) what follows is copied DIRECTLY from his email to me earlier this afternoon. " Because firearm background checks do not include fingerprints at a federal level, the response times specifically for Firearms Background Checks required by a state cannot be determined by the Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS) Division. State agencies submitting fingerprints to the FBI for such purposes should be contacted for further assistance. The CJIS Division can provide the response times for the Civil fingerprint ransactions for the month of April 2015: Current Month Response times = 3hrs 52 mins and 4 seconds, and Fiscal Year Average Response Times = 3 hrs 3 mins and 8 seconds. These are completed in real time and the response is returned to the submitting agency." What this tells me ( reading between the lines of CYA , bureaucratic double speak) is that the FBI certainly has the ability and routinely performs criminal background checks on the Civilian side ( non firearms purchasing related ) on average in as little as just under FOUR HOURS and they are completed and returned in REAL TIME. It is my belief that the now standard NJ excuse of " blame the FBI for the delays" is nothing but a huge, steaming pile of bullshit. Either that or the State Police would have everyone believe that the FBI is able to run a background check for a non firearms related purpose in ONE day and return the results, but when it comes to Firearms Purchaser ID Cards or Pistol Purchase Permit issuance, all of a sudden it takes them 1,2,3,4 sometimes up to SIX months to do it. Now, does anyone actually believe that ? Its just a single piece in the puzzle, and I may be overstating its significance, but to me, this is a smoking gun of sorts that goes a long way to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that theses absurd delays, like the one experienced by Ms Bownes are simply another part of the deliberately engineered mechanism concocted by the Legislature, the Courts, the AG's Office and the Superintendent of the State Police Office to make the process as time consuming, odious, invasive and frustrating as possible in order to discourage as many as possible from even bothering to try. And innocent people pay for this with their lives.

i think it said berlin township. someone should get this to dan roberts. betcha he's got someone there he may know since the interview with his daughter.

sheer awesomeness sir.

my thought process was to be sure that he was informed on how the system works........i also added to ask him to not use my name in anything.

this is what i think i'm gonna send to the reporter. Good afternoon sir, I just wanted to reach out to you regarding this article, specifically the fingerprinting issue. In New Jersey, when you apply for your fPid, you are given a form by your police dept. that form contains the contanct information for MorphoTrac(i may have spelled that incorrectly.) You call them, and schedule an appointment for your fingerprints. These appointments generally are very quick. They fingerprint you digitally, and send the information to your police dept. Once the dept. has your prints, they start their investigation. There is a statute in New Jersey(i can't remember it exactly at this point) which states that an applicant "shall be issued their permit unless they meed a qualification to be disqualified from owning a firearm no more than 30 days from the date of the application". However, most police depts sit on these applications, taking their time. Mine took over 8 months. My mothers took just over 9 months. There is no way that i know of to enforce this statute. If you haven't already, I would like to suggest that you press the dept on this issue, as there is no good or acceptable reason for the dept to have been taking over a month to take care of this victims application. Thank you for taking time to read this.

which is highly illegal according to the statute that says you are to be given your permits within 30 days.

correct....nothing says she would have been. but being as she was still waiting for her fpid, she had no chance.....because of the states system.

i saw this on farcebook, and in this mornings courier. i'll say the same thing i did on fb. now is the time for one of our lawyers to jump on this. time to go for the throat, and sue the state over her death. while the state didn't kill her, the state did everything in its power to enable her killer. the state is almost as responsible for her death as the guy that stabbed her.

then we'll have a state legislature doing its impression of congress, with dumbocrats blaming republitards for lack of anything happening. this will occur for a short period of time, then the republitards will buckle, and give the dumbocrats what they want. just like they just did in congress this past week. again.

welcome from the corner of brace and kresson(although i live in lindenwold)!!

they buckled on the patriot act, they'll buckle here.

finally some names i recognize, lolol

they all think it was only christy on that though.

pa doesn't honor utah's non-resident permits anymore. unless i missed something.

well, maybe i phrased it incorrectly. not so much defending, as correcting those that think he's put so much gun control on us? there was another thread i think in here somewhere about the m1's not coming back. i thought it was a bush thing, then there supposedly was something came up that they could've been again.....and these schmucks put the kabosh on it.

so essentially, although he's tried like a mofo, he's not really hurt us that much. he is in fact, as i've said before, the #1 salesman of firearms and firearm accessories of all time, as every time he opens his mouth, people respond like pavlovian dogs, and run out buying everything on the shelves. well....that;'s one way he's hurt us. the demand has driven prices up. i fucking hate it when i hafta actually kinda defend a douchebag that i can't stand, and wouldn't remain in the same room with.

is there a list somewhere of all the gun control stuff he's done to us?