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Federal law doesn't consider these to be firearms. What is required in NJ to sell one of these in a private sale?

Six days down and they still can't give an ETA? And you missed black Friday! Your host screwed you! Do you have backups? If so, you could be up and running on another host in less than a day.

Transfer in FL as per Florida law. If you have a residence in NJ, you can bring it to your residence WHEN MOVING. NJ has a VOLUNTARY registration of firearms legally purchased out of state. Once it's here, be careful where you transport it. You can only transport between your home, range, gunshop, or business owned by you.

....crickets.... I'll settle for anyone who's ever seen one anywhere? Hello? Anybody?

I'm considering purchasing a North American Arms Hogleg. It's the 6" barreled version of the Earl line. Available with two cylinders and can convert from .22LR to .22Mag. I like the look of the gun and have shot NAA mini-revolvers and liked the quality. I haven't ever seen one of these in a shop so I'm assuming it will have to be ordered which means I probably won't get to handle one before I order one. I'm wondering about the size. The NAA mini revolvers were very mini. I'm happy with small but would like to get more than 1 finger on the grip. The grip style of the hogleg is different than the NAA mini revolvers and looks from the photos to be larger but I'm not sure it is. Anybody have one of these? How does it compare in size to the mini-revolvers? Can I get two solid fingers on the grip?

Sounds Familiar. http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/isis-bombs-have-exiled-the-vicar-of-baghdad-to-surrey-but-hes-itching-to-go-back-to-the-middle-east/ "Even now, post-Paris, the West is inclined to say: Oh, Isis are just idiots. If we grown-ups put any real effort into it they’d be easy to wipe out. Not so, say Canon White and Dr Sarah. She tells a story about the way Isis captured a Yazidi village, which demonstrates unusual cunning: Isis first came to the village promising peace, she says. Then they said to the Yazidi: ‘We’re worried you’ll fight us, so if you really want peace too, give up your guns.’ This the foolish Yazidi did. On their third visit Isis came and surrounded the now unarmed Yazidi. They took the women and girls as sex slaves and shot all the men, bar one who played dead under the corpse of his brother and survived to tell Sarah the tale."

I interpret FOPA to apply in this case too. But people with more legal expertise than me often claim that FOPA applies when traveling THROUGH a state, not TO a state.

Unfortunately, when living in NJ, it's not possible to comply. We have all committed felonies because sometimes there was no other option. It's always sad for the 1 who gets caught when 10,000 others had to do the same thing.

It's not. You can transport from one residence to another WHEN MOVING. See post #7 above. Under NJ law, the first rule is: you can't possess or transport a firearm. Then, later in the statute, lists several "exemptions" to that first rule. There is no such exemption for moving between residences except WHEN MOVING. Transport of long guns is allowed if you have a FID card under an different exemption, as long as you're transporting unloaded and cased. FID card does not help with transporting handguns.

Christie has the authority to amend the administrative code. The insurmountable definition of "justifiable need" is in the administrative code. Christie could add "self defense" to that definition and it becomes law. Except... The definition of justifiable need came from NJ caselaw. If Christie changes it, the courts would immediately invalidate it. All three branches want our rights to be infringed and if one branch fails at doing that, the other two will step up and make sure it's done.

It's amazing the shamelessness of judges so blatantly twist the rules to get the outcomes they want. They aren't even trying to hide these deeds behind closed doors anymore. They now feel comfortable flagrantly manipulating outcomes in public. When the legislature is corrupt, the executive branch is corrupt, and the courts are corrupt, the people have lost.

I believe he "voluntarily" surrendered his FID card and guns and in exchange, criminal charges were not brought. I am only speculating but I don't see any reason for a denial of rights in another state since there was no conviction of a crime.

I know this guy well. I wondered what the outcome would be. Thankfully he won't do jail time. He, like thousands of NJ residents put his "black guns" in his safe after the ban. Who would have thought the police would show up one day to take everything - with no due process and no warrant.

Every signer has their name and location viewable at the bottom of the petition. Would be a great opportunity to mine that data and create a mailing list of people in NJ who are interested enough in carry to at least sign a petition.

So Stupid. I can share my car but not my gun.

It would be a lot of work to compile all the data and follow the chain of custody to see who had what gun where. But databases are getting bigger and computers are getting smarter. Who knows what old data they might be mining in 20 years - once confiscation is over and they're trying to get the last few remaining guns. I don't know that it will happen but 20 years ago I would have said you were crazy if you predicted the stuff that's happening now.

I'm on her side. I think everything should be free for everybody. They should just give us whatever we want whenever we want it. That's my plan. No questions please.

Absolutely true.

We're way off topic here but...the 9th amendment covers any rights that might have been overlooked in the bill of rights. "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." I would argue that the right to travel freely is clearly a right of a free person. In today's world, travel is no longer done on foot or by horse. If the 1st amendment applies to the internet and the 2nd amendment applies to semi-autos, the human right to travel freely applies to cars. Now, there wasn't any problem with the government attempting to infringe on the right to travel in 1781. So this right wasn't on the minds of the writers of the Bill of Rights. Just because the government prints in the drivers manual that something is a privilege doesn't make it so. Everything is a right of free people until some government decides to regulate it and turn it into a privilege.

Stopped at Bass Pro in Atlantic City today for the first time. I was expecting more. Smaller than the Christiana DE Cabela's, higher prices, right in the middle of the armpit of the Jersey Shore, and $10 to park (up to one hour validation in the store or 4 hours with a $30 purchase - I can't imagine spending 4 hours there). They do have a pistol range. I stopped into the range to find out the details of shooting there. Stood around the counter for a couple of minutes and left. Nobody was around. The range seems to be 25 yds, and 4 ports. I can shoot in my back yard so I think I'll stick with Cabela's.

1LtCAP, can I assume from your user name that you are involved in the enforcement of NJ's gun laws?

Victim blaming in 3...2...1...

Only a handful applied. Those that did sort of did it on their own since the project was dead before it got started.

The biggest, meanest 8th grade bully on the school bus steals everyone's lunch money every day. He holds you down and goes through your pockets and book bag. Everyone on the bus is scared of this guy and has convinced their parents to put money into their electronic school lunch account instead of using cash. Cash gets you robbed and maybe beat up. Today there's a new kid on the bus route who doesn't know the bully's rule. Maybe he met one of other kids on the bus already who warned him but he really doesn't believe it could be that bad. So he brings cash. As expected he is held down, pockets searched, lunch money stolen. Who's fault is it? The bully or the kid who got robbed? I guess the kid who got robbed deserves what happened to him. Even though the bully broke the law, everyone else knew the bully's rules and this kid should have too.

Cabela's sort of shot themselves in the foot when they shifted from building giant destination stores to smaller stores. Less people are traveling to the destination stores because there's a smaller Cabela's nearby. We used to make the 3 hour trek to Hamburg at least twice a year and fill a cart. Now, I can just cross the Bridge into DE and pick up a couple of boxes of stuff. It's not a big deal anymore and I'm buying less.