Darrenf

How would time of use be abused? Also, if the rates go down at 10pm but you plug in at 6, if you’re not a moron you would have the car scheduled to start charging at 10, not immediately upon being plugged in. This is something that is quite easy to setup in the car’s charging menu.

You know that most charging would take place at night when the grid is far from it's capacity, and power companies can even enact tine of use pricing to encourage that behavior, so no, it won't bring the grid to its knees. Also, even if the the entire grid were coal powered the average electric car is only then on par with the average car's emissions. But much of America's grid is much cleaner than that anyway. That said, while some people might purchase such a car due to their environmental concerns, my purchase was predicated on the quality of the product, it ticked the right boxes for me. The fact that it might be cleaner, and is definitely cheaper to operate than a comparable vehicle is just icing on the cake, but I still would have purchased it anyway if both emissions and cost were equal. And (my opinion) seriously, we need to get on nuclear, especially if we ever master fusion, it will unleash a new rise in quality of life, on par with the industrial revolution, as power would be almost limitless and inexpensive at that point. I hope to live long enough to see it.

Atco is definitely a better track to drive on, but I did enjoy going to the Summernats at Englishtown just to watch. My greatest victory is at Englishtown. I think it was the summer of 92. Muscle Car Magazine show and go. Over 2000 cars entered and I made the final. Lost to a freaking Grand National by redlighting in the damn final. That was a long damn day, I think there were like 12 or 13 rounds.

Love the Cobrajet, so sad that Englishtown is no more.

Sad times now but it sounds like he was a great guy to know.

Yeah, I haven't been there at all this year yet.

And as you keep ignoring, all modern automobiles are chock full of computers running everything. And it's funny you ask when was the last time I heard of someone throwing a connecting rod. Happened to one of my cars just 3 weeks ago. But, the resulting fireball in my rear view mirror was so much fun it was almost worth the loss of the car.

Actually, the argument I'm making would be the exact opposite. The biggest reason to dislike a smartgun is that it adds complexity, meaning you now have more points of failure. An electric motor has 3 moving parts counting the bearings. And internal combustion engine has hundreds. Just because something is a newer technology doesn't mean it is more complex, and that is what some here are missing.

Imagine the money I could have saved if I limited myself to only Hi-Points!

Still a price decrease, just not as great. The prices dropped an average of 6% but now they will raise them 3% of the current price, not 3% higher than the original price. The backlash to the price decreases was a little crazy. There were actually protests in some countries! Can you imagine protesting lower prices? That said, Tesla does still deserve a good bit of blame here, as the official words from Tesla on their web site and what Elon were tweeting didn't always match up. An example would be the upgrade to Full Self Driving was listed at $3k on the web site but Elon said it was $2k. 4 days later the website was revised to the $2k price, but now this morning we are told on Monday it will be going back up, but no post about how much it will be going back up. I can empathize with both sides on the price drop, with the price decreases some people were rightfully concerned about their car's resale value going down, but at the same time Tesla has been very clear about their mission, to accelerate the transition to EVs by making them both desirable and affordable. If you purchased any Tesla up to this point without knowing you were in part helping to finance that future, then you really just weren't paying attention. But again, you could have been aware of that mission, and agreed to the hit you would take by paying a little more before, but still shocked when smacked with an artificially accelerated depreciation. It's a tight rope Tesla is walking for sure, and the past couple of weeks they were very cavalier about it. Hopefully they learned something here. From what I have seen they do tend to learn from their mistakes.

This is an odd one for sure. The day they stop making their twins will be the day they die. Nothing wrong with expanding the lineup though.

His Nostrodamous opinions aside, his facts are correct. EVs are more reliable, cheaper to operate, and getting cheaper to acquire. Personally I hope that not only do gasoline powered cars never disappear, I hope they stay affordable to operate. I like choice. Some people love the rumble of a big cam, and who doesn’t love the sound of a flat plane crank V8

Last time moron, I never said anything doesn't die, in fact I explicitly said nothing lasts forever multiple times. Of course you'd think a couple people with anecdotes now proves that internal engines are more reliable than electric. I never said they never fail, I said they are more reliable. Once again you show your stupidity, and you are so proud of it, fascinating. You keep clinging to this, again showing you have no idea of which you speak, but you believe it completely. Is that stupidity, or arrogance? As I said, I do know exactly what happens, you keep implying something bad happens, because as I said, you think your opinion is fact. Since you've tried to weasel out of this 3 times now, I'll end the suspense (are you too stupid to google "Tesla reboot while driving"? Facts don't care about your feelings.... Sure they are. You are just like the main stream media on Trump, really reaching to find negative things to say, while ignoring everything else. Most people aren't amazed by what isn't there, congrats. And my last bit of info for you, (and I'm sure you will have many insults to try to bait me, but it won't work, I don't care about your out of touch opinion)... https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2018/09/06/seven-reasons-why-the-internal-combustion-engine-is-a-dead-man-walking-updated/#39e7dd9603fe

I didn't misrepresent anything, I was asked how much I spent on electric compared to gas. I answered. Not once did I ever even suggest that I purchased a Tesla in order to save money, but once again you present an argument to refute that no one made. Why are you so desperate? Also, fanboys overlook all shortcomings, I've done no such thing, I tell it like it is. And how it is is that you continue to push lies about the technology, and as I do to all liars I encounter, I point them out

Not sure what the face palm is for, since I answered your question directly. Agreed, that is a deal breaker to me, at least until charging away from home is on par speed wise with filling up with gas. But even that now to me sounds awful compared to the convenience of always having a full tank in the morning and not having to go out of my way to do so. I would NEVER live in an HOA. It's bad enough dealing with state and local government, the last thing I would do is add yet more nazis who want to dictate what I can do on my own property. #3 has already been hit as far as I'm concerned. Like I've said previously, there is less to go wrong than on a comparable normal car. And as far as #1, they are now priced as low as what the average car sales price is. The average car sold today is $35k. That is why Tesla chose that price target for their model 3, which they have now hit. The idea was never that they would be expensive, the idea was to start with the expensive cars because they could bury the cost of the burgeoning tech in higher margin vehicles in order to finance the development to get costs down to affordable cars. 8 years ago their batteries cost over $700/kWh. Today they are below $120/kWh. It's said that once they get the cost below $100/kWh that EVs will be cheaper to produce than internal combustion cars. But even if it were cheaper, if I couldn't charge at home, or away from home in roughly the same time as filling with gas, it would be a no go. Right now the only time I am held up by charging is on a long road trip, and even then the car holds me up less than my wife's bladder does, so it's really a non issue for road trips.

I remember gasoline being 90 cents a gallon less than 20 years ago. How’s that working out. Also, electric is a utility and can’t go up like that at home. If you’re a salesperson on the road all the time, that might be an issue, but for most of us it’s not.

This is news to you? It was never stated by me. Keep tilting at those windmills Don. I have first hand knowledge what happens when it resets. That's why I could see your opinion as the uninformed drivel it is. It's cute how you think no one can keep track of your ever changing argument. Uh-huh. Still waiting for you to show where I said these things you accuse me of saying. You're just like any garden variety liberal, sees the world how you want it instead of how it is. Tesla died? Now you'll try to explain how that isn't what you said, even though here it is, in plain view. I am amazed at your willingness to display such ignorance in public. It is amusing though.

3rd parties are coming along, but they are definitely not as reliable, fast, or accessible as the Tesla Supercharger network. That is a key part of the ownership experience that all other manufacturers continually ignore.

My gasoline bill was $150 a month. My charging bill is $60 a month. But, if I were not able to charge at home there is no way I would own an electric car. ( no doubt the trolls here will say see, this means it's not ready for prime time, ignoring the fact that I said they aren't for everyone). I have already had two people drive my car who do not live where they could charge, and it took a little bit to talk them out of trying to get one themselves. The driving experience had won them over enough to the point they were willing to live with the drag that would be charging somewhere else every week. They might still do it, but they can't complain they weren't warned.

That we will, but again, is this something unique to Tesla, as many manufactures now data log also. Not saying you are doing this, but some here think that is a potential problem for Tesla while ignoring the fact that it is becoming industry norm.

The motor in a hard drive that fails regularly is the stepper motor, hardly comparable to an electric rotational motor. But you keep on keeping on with your desperation to draw parallels. Yes, you are uninformed. You are the one making assumptions, and also moving the goal posts. I replied to your post about RESETTING the computer at 70mph, and now you try to change it to it FAILING, as if no one would notice, or more likely, you are unable to keep track of your own argument since it's so convoluted. So again, do tell me all knowing one, what happens in a Tesla when you reset the computer while driving at 70 MPH. And I'm not changing anything, just responding to each shift you make as you continue to portray your opinion as fact about things you have no experience with. I know 2 Delorean owners, and they loved their cars. So not sure how you think that is an insult, especially since we can only enjoy ANYTHING "while it lasts", and nothing lasts forever.

Again, since you don't seem to comprehend the first time, I never said that ANYTHING will never fail. But if you don't know that electric motors are inherently more reliable than reciprocating engines, than there is no hope for you. You really have no idea how statistics work do you. So, I guess the cars you think are more reliable will show no results if I type the same search terms but with a different marque. Care to make a wager on that? And yet none of those issues are what you mentioned in any previous post. Fan boys won't admit to any shortcomings. If you had mentioned any of those issues before I would have discussed them for the issues that they are, but no, you just want to act like things that aren't problems are, and that is what I was calling you out for. You think that Tesla is the only car that has it's door freeze over? How many cars get any updates at all? Some people complain that they don't get them often enough and you paint that as an issue with the technology as opposed to ridiculous owner expectations? GTFOH Yes, an electric car's range is reduced in cold weather, any electric car buyer should know that and plan for that. I did and it hasn't been the least bit of a problem for me, Know why, I leave the house everyday with a full battery. If you cannot get through your day comfortably with 200 miles of range, then yes, that would be a big reason not to purchase an electric car yet. Please post a link to anyone who has HAD to pay for a battery pack replacement from Tesla. Does Tesla have some design flaws? Absolutely. Is there a car manufacturer that doesn't? Not that I've seen. But reliability and longevity aren't concerns for those who are honest.

This is true. And since nothing user generated is stored on them, I'd wager they are only written to for firmware and map updates, which happen about every 30 days and average about 8Mb. Thats about 100Mb a year? Nothing for a modern SSD. But again, just about every modern car is controlled by a microcomputer, so why is this a knock against electric cars? Oh right, it's not, but some people like to act like it is unique to them.

First, I never said an SSD IS a computer, the SSD response was in regard to your comment about hard drive failures. What do you think would happen if the computer is reset while doing 70? This is going to be a great example of how uninformed you are, so please answer, keeping in mind you have already implied the outcome to not be good. Also, please show where I said ANYTHING doesn't fail, let alone batteries and motors. I'll wait. You sure do like your strawmen down't you.

I didn't say that I would get 1.5 million hours. I won't be alive for 1.5 million hours. I said that is the MTBF on SSDs of the type Tesla uses. Do you know what that means? I'm still waiting for you to show your work on your statement that the computer is the most likely thing to fail and then run that same analysis on a normal car. You ignore that because all you can do is continue to spew your uninformed opinion as fact. I like how you unwittingly make my own point that a Tesla is no different than any other car when it comes to the computer by mentioning your anecdote about a 20 year old mini van that is also computer controlled. Makes me laugh, thanks for that. You realize Tesla has been building cars for 10 years, doing nothing but growing and stealing sales from high end car companies, and none of the technologies you listed were even on the market for 10 years. At what point in your self important opinion does a technology become ready for "prime time"? Don't answer that until you answer my first question though, showing your work. I'll wait, I'm sure you have that analysis soon.