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I didn’t get out there today. Wife started feeling ill so we had to cancel. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Bwahahahaha. Just bringing .22s today, I might do that next time for fun though.

The wife and I are going to stop by today to shoot. I am not planning on bringing up the issue again at this time, because I have done what I can. I can only hope they see the error of their ways and more people in the community bring it to their attention.

What I'd hope you realize is that they are trying to hide their invasion of privacy behind the veil of safety, when in fact they are putting people at risk.

Its funny to me how Greenday has no problem with the range “checking his eyes”, (What are they checking for exactly? ) but his issue is they charge too much. No doubt he’d like the government to tell them how much they could charge too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Here's the thing, I was looking forward to being "affiliated" with this range. They say they are about education, so am I, so is my college professor wife. She wanted to start a SAW chapter there, i was looking forward to becoming an instructor, and promoting this range extensively. The shock of what management is doing there is really upsetting.

Is this a rhetorical question?

And like I tried to explain to Mr. Absolutes, phrasing is important. You can educate with out being accusatory. Sadly they seem to have no interest in that, yet they think they are all about education. It seems they think they know it all, which is the worst attitude for an educator to have.

How did I know Greenday would have no problem with someone looking through all his things and providing “supervision”. And of course he misrepresents what the issue being discussed is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

I was very tempted to ask for a refund, but I’m hoping they will see the light. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Huh? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

How did you reach out to them, and have you heard anything back? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Anyone can write anything they want on the form, so I wouldn't expect them to trust that. The application actually does ask how often you shoot and to self assess your ability. My wife was very excited about trying to start a SAW chapter there, so I hope they get this worked out. Good luck Rosey!

To be fair they know nothing of my ability yet, and I wouldn't say I have any great ability anyway. But I do follow the rules and the law and they should have some system in place for verified range goers so that we can avoid this hassle. i would be at that range twice a week easily, I have literally 30+ new shooters anxious to get out there with me and be on their way to gun ownership, but at the moment i cannot recommend this range at all. I'm hoping they engage us here, and even if they are unable to change this policy, at least explain it in a better way than "it's for your safety".

That would be good, the more communication the better. The conversations in person felt very confrontational, and that isn't going to help anybody.

What did you say?

I wasn't there on Black Friday Rosey, so I can't comment on what occurred that day. i will say that I went back today, and it couldn't have gone much worse. When they went to inspect everything this time, i took all the gun cases and ammo out of my range bag, and also asked to speak with the owner. Someone ran and got him, and I asked him if this is going to happen every time, even for regulars. is there some sort of system they have in place to make this less of a hassle in the future? His response was that this was a corporate decision to insure my safety. I replied that i agree safety is paramount, but no other range I have ever been to has done anything even close to this and that they have perfect safety records. I was again told it was a corporate decision (I thought you were the owner). It was obvious I would get no where, so I just went to shoot. When I was finished shooting I came back out into the staging area and as I did that the owner was walking back in. I told him "look, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you have to understand that here in NJ us gunowners are treated as second class citizens, and ranges are looked at as a sort of a refuge. We don't expect to have to pay a private individual who then shows less trust in us than even the state does. He replied that because NJ is so messed up, this procedure can help when new people come in to see how rigid everything is, and develop their trust in the range. I said I agree it could be helpful for newbies, but you have to understand that seasoned shooters and 2A advocates, the people likely to bring the newbies into your range see this as invasive at the least. I also told him that when I stopped in the first time while my guns were being inspected, another employee asked "Is that a 10 round magazine?". I told the owner, so now you guys are law enforcement too? That's when another employee chimed in with "The reason I asked that question is to educate people who might not know the law" I told him, first it wasn't you that asked the question and if that's the case then phrasing is important. He replied "well I deal in absolutes". ( I almost laughed out loud that someone would say something so stupid, my thought was that this guy must love the Star Wars Prequels, LMAO) I again said that education is admirable but phrasing is important. Asking someone if that is a 10 round mag isn't helpful, and I was about to tell him a better way to phrase the question but he wasn't interested. He cut me off to repeat that he deals in absolutes. LOL I said, look, I am trying to help you here by telling you what your consumer would hope to see. i forgot what he said but he cut me off again. I said this is so disappointing, I've been looking forward to this range opening for almost 2 years, been telling everyone about it, let my membership at Shooters lapse, and this is the treatment they dispense. You have a customer who is trying to tell you what they would like to see but you aren't listening. He interjected that he is listening to which I cut him off and raised my voice a bit now and said, yes, you're listening, that's why you keep cutting me off. Well done. At this point I was exiting the room and told the owner, that I hope they have a meeting to get this righted soon. I'm not optimistic, which is sad, because it's a beautiful local facility, and I'd love to see it thrive, but if this is how they plan on treating customers, they won't be in business long.

Before entering the “airlock” to the actual range itself. There is a staging area with a counter where they have you open your range bag. He then opened each gun case and the 9mm ammo box. He didn’t check the .22 box because “not many people reload them”. I’m going to have to talk to them about the issues many in this community are going to have with these inspections. I suspect the word “insurance” will be somewhere in the reply. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro What other range does anything like this? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

So, I went there yesterday and it is a nice range. The shelves are still kind of bare, but I didn’t go there to go shopping. One think that left a sour taste in my mouth was the range bag “inspection”. They uncased all my guns and then opened the ammo boxes. One guy watching as they inspected my Grand Power K100 asked “are those 10 round mags?” I didn’t answer because it’s none of his damn business. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Happy turkey day everyone. I’m currently sitting happy in a food coma Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

So in order to keep your business, you want them to flout the law.

In California a different recoil spring means the gun is a completely different model. in case you hadn't noticed, the lawmakers there are idiots.

Voltage is no measure of battery capacity (run time). Amp hours is the measure of quantity. I have a couple of 10k mAh batteries that could probably power a usb jacket 8-10 hours no problem.

Just received the latest American Rifleman. They are endorsing Van Drew over Grossman, and also list Van Drew as a Republican. What a clusterF!

I'm betting Glock's comment had more to do with Bob Viden then "no carry permits".