Mr.Stu

Once the new rules are published officially, the lawyers are going to challenge them. I suspect they won't get very far. Places like Florida already require proof of training.

I heard through a friend who was at an ATF seminar this week and NJSP did a very quick heads-up on what's coming in July. This is what he reported was said: 1. The qualification course will be the NJ HQC1 (including the 25 yard line phase). 2. The application will be an online application including an online safety training component. 3. A basic pistol course will be required (NRA will suffice). 4. Use of Force instruction will be required. 5. Anyone who has received their CCW permit, but hasn't qualified on the HQC1 course will have to do so by October (the issuing municipality will notify them of the need to do so). No more details than that right now. Don't get upset with me - I'm just passing on what I heard.

I don't remember the details, but there was a guy who ran into difficulty because he had "you're fucked" etched on the inside of his dust cover

The training requirements are going to be challenged in Koons and Siegel. They just can't file anything until it is known what the requirements are. Look for an update after July 1st.

On the bug out vs bug in topic... Look from the perspective of the people already there wherever you are going. If you had a stranger approach your home area who was armed, how willing would you be to have them set up camp in your back yard so close to where you have your supplies stored? Unless you're planning on surviving in the wilderness, you need to have already established a relationship with the people in the place that you go to. Having a BOB is fine, but you need a plan and prior preparation to go with it.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

If you have already done a qual and are ready to submit it now, I would go ahead and do it. If you wait until after the new requirements are published I'm pretty sure your app won't be accepted at all until you have done the new qual and there is likely going to be a ramp up time before anyone is ready to run the new version. By submitting now, you have a chance to get your permit and then have until October to do the new qual as well. I have not seen anything to suggest you would have to pay the permit fee more than once. If you haven't done your qual yet and are willing to wait, then it makes sense to hold off.

You really can do it. The trick is to stop thinking about it too hard. Just point and shoot. How hard to you think when you toss a wad of paper in the trash can? Also, if anyone was to tell @rschmidty6 the nitty gritty details of shot patterns, choke tubes, muzzle velocities, target trajectories, leads and intercepts, he would find it much harder to crush the clays as he would suddenly be overthinking the whole shebang.

Not required, but federal money is awfully tempting. There are numerous NJ LEO that are dual sworn as federal LEO too so they can have arrest powers when working with the Feds. The NJ change that now allows off duty LEO to use marijuana does not apply to those dual sworn officers. The federal schedule 1 status for dope supersedes the state 'legalization'.

Gunsitters offer 2 services. One is where you retain ownership of the firearms and they simply store them for you. This would be useful for someone going on an extended trip and didn't want to leave their firearms in an unoccupied house. It is also useful for people to store things that are prohibited in NJ at the PA gunsitters location. This is done legally in a similar way that you would retain ownership of a gun that was left with a gunsmith for repair work. You do not need permits or a BG check to get your guns back. The second service is for people who have or are expecting some kind of TRO. I used gunsitters to store my guns when I was going through my divorce. I was pretty certain that at some point my ex was going to make up some story and get a TRO against me. Gunsitters take ownership of the guns with this service. When she eventually did file for the TRO and the police showed up to seize my guns, I was able to show them the receipt which proved I didn't have them any more. They took my FPIC, thanked me and left. To get my guns back after the divorce was settled I had to get a consent order approved by the Superior court to get my FPIC back and I did a bunch of PtPP with an exemption to OGAM to get all my guns back in one go. The advantage is twofold. My guns were stored in the correct climate and did not deteriorate, and I was never in a position where I might have had guns seized and not returned to me. That is a lifetime disqualifier in NJ, but applies nationally.

Registration for next Wednesday's match is open. Sign up here: https://practiscore.com/phillipsburg-idpa-june-2023-wednesday-1/register

I'll put money on us still being there at noon

@Scorpio64 said first shots at 9am. I'm only 10 minutes away and have nothing else planned for the day so I'll be there for the start and probably stay as long as there's anyone left to BS and shoot with or until I get hungry. I'll probably get there a bit before 9 to unpack my car.

I'm getting my gear together for tomorrow. Is anyone bringing a little person? I'm asking to find out if I should pack my youth sized 20g.

I'm pretty sure that short handguard would be considered a barrel shroud. Is it removable?

Bump. Surely someone wants a longer distance rifle in a big boys caliber.

I'm repeatedly puzzled by this mindset. Simple scenario - you are out with your spouse, kid, parent, or whoever you care about. Are they ever farther than 15 yards from you? If they are attacked is your best strategy to run away? Even if they are right next to you, if an attacker has a firearm, do you think their rounds are going to be no threat to you if you are 25 yards away? Bullets go way farther than that and move way faster than you can. Also, bad guys usually don't care what they hit. Being hit by chance is just as devastating as being hit on purpose - the bullet doesn't care. Just because you haven't built the skills to pull off a shot, don't pooh-pooh the idea that someone else may have. Yes, skills degrade under stress. However, if you start from a low skill with no stress and degrade that you have next to no skill. It is way worse than starting with a well developed skill that is practiced and tested under the (albeit minor) stress of a timer in competition and degrading that by a similar amount. Additionally, taking part in the practical shooting sports builds your mental capacity too. You get multiple reps of running your gun while having to think about all the things you need to do to solve the 'problem' in front of you. Running the gun becomes subconscious freeing your conscious mind to process what's going on around you. It appears you may have absorbed some of the "highly trained police officer" doctrine although you acknowledge that they often miss. That is bunk. LEO get minimal training at the academy. Those that take it seriously spend time (and often their own ammo) to build and maintain their shooting skills. Others worry about passing their quals twice a year. Most are in between. Regardless, what other people do is irrelevant. What you do is what counts. How would you feel if you found yourself in a dire situation, fired a few shots and hurt of killed an innocent bystander. Would you feel a little less bad if you had taken steps to mitigate the risk of that by building and testing your skills instead of ducking that responsibility by saying "nah, I don't believe that's even possible." Hitting a 12" target at 25 yards with a 2" barrel off hand is absolutely achievable - repeatedly too.

Regardless of what the government wants, why would you want to carry a gun that you can't shoot accurately? The purpose is to be able to hit the aggressor in order to make them discontinue their attack - either through making it too painful for them to continue, or physically unable to continue. Missing your target is not effective at either of those things and endangers anyone else in the area. It just doesn't make sense. There are very few handguns that are mechanically unable to shoot an 12" wide group at 25 yards - that's works out to be over 48moa! Seriously, it is not the gun. Edited after measuring a Q target. The milk bottle is 12" wide, not 18".

Perhaps you missed the part where I said "without a damn good reason - i.e. you are being attacked" You appear also to miss that a store (or range) can prohibit you from carrying on their property for any reason they like - or no reason at all. You may believe that a range prohibiting carry is a bit hypocritical, but that does not reduce their right to do it. The same is true for placing restrictions on what you do with your carry gun while on their property. There is a huge difference between someone carrying for self defense needing to draw their gun which is very unlikely and someone repeatedly drawing for practice or whatever other reason. Each time the gun goes back into the holster there is another chance of something going wrong and the gun discharging. The risks accumulate. Also note, drawing a gun from a holster is relatively risk free so long as you maintain your grip and keep your trigger finger straight. Putting the gun into the holster carries more risk as there is the potential for some obstruction to activate the trigger. If you take a class on holster use, you should find the instructor spends more time on safely getting the gun into the holster than they do talking about the safety issues with respect to getting the gun out.

OK, I'm in. I'll bring a trap, clays and guns available for loan, 12g & 20g. I'll probably toss the EZ-up in as well for some shade.

I have a conflict. A friend is trying to talk me into shooting IDPA at Blue Ridge Cherry Valley that day.

The gunsmith's name is Thomas Richardson. He works out of National Range and Armory in Williamsport. https://nationalrangeandarmory.com/

The gunsmith I use is in Williamsport, PA. I assume you're looking for someone local.

Which parts?