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Maybe he didn't have a safe or he was out of room? lol. Wouldn't you remove the bolt? I mean, just incase your car was broken into??? Hopefully some ATF agent stole it and now it's in Mexico as part of fast and furious, this M4 could lead us to the big fish

Why would it be illegal? You buy the gun and it remains under the control of the FFL until the permit is granted and NICS is done/approved, so if the FFL has a range on-site it's not like your leaving the property with the firearm which would be illegal without a handgun permit. If Shore Shot refuses to allow this ask them if NJ or Federal law makes mention of this being illegal, if they cannot provide an answer I would write them off and try another dealer/range and see what they say.

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I agree, but if someone wants "out-of-the-box" rifle the build service might be better. That's why I mentioned it... This is why I never enlisted IGF to do a build for me, but for some people spending the $500 might make for a better option. Tools aren't that expensive, you could also build a 47 and rpk and the tools would pretty much pay for themselves and so would the experience of building something with your own two hands.

You can also build a top of the line AK74 for a little more, http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/Services.htm Jayson at IGF will build one that's NJ legal, Here is the email he send me back in Jan about doing a NJ legal AK:

You could get a 74 parts kit and a Nodak Spud receiver that dosen't say AK on it. Sent it to a builder and have them build the rifle for you and so it's NJ legal (pinned brake/no bayonet lug). Parts kit $299.95 (Bulgarian): http://whatacountry.com/bulgarian-ak-74-parts-kit.aspx New US Made Barrel $134.95: http://whatacountry.com/ak-74-us-made-5-45x39mm-16-barrel-new.aspx Nodak Spud Receiver NDS-2 (Based on the Bulgarian SLR-105 pattern) $96.00: http://www.nodakspud.com/page2.htm Plus a few US compliant parts to keep the ATF happy and your good to go! )

Good point, blame the problem on a private contractor (Champion) versus having the people blame the State for the NICS delay...

I just called and spoke to a lady at Aim, she check the receiver and it's stamped "AK74" so it's a no-go. Ughh!!! Why can't these companies do a limited run for poor folks like us?

But why must the FFL fax them our info if they are simply collecting payment as a payment processor for the State and not performing the actual NICS? Why not have the FFL fax the NICS request directly to the State and have the State (or Champion) collect payment for the NICS? It would make sense to keep such personal information between the State and the FFL, and not allowing a private company to have access to our personal information without are consent? Never mind, this is PRNJ and nothing will EVER make sense in this State when it comes to guns and gun owners...

Here is a thread on AR15.com about putting a brake on a SAR-2, making it into a proper 74: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=4&f=79&t=142341 EDIT: Looks possible and shouldn't cost too much, the SAR series keeps going up in value...They have been selling for double what they originally sold for when they first came out (SAR-2's go for over $1K on GB LNIB, Like New In Box).

Ooops, This is the rifle in question: I know, no break but still a nice looking AK...Ugh...I meant "SAR"

Paul, This is what I feared about the Waffen Werks. The SAR series of rifles (built in Romania) are not stamped AK so it's not as risky, I have a SAR-2 that's basically a AK-74 minus the bayonet lug/threaded barrel and since the 74 uses a brake and not a flash supressor I assume someone could thread it and perm. install the brake making it cosmetically identical to a true AK-74... Phew! I need some coffee this morning

Here is a picture of the current production receiver Waffen Werks is using: Stamped as "AK-74", I could find no dealer willing to transfer one back when I was looking to purchase it. I didn't know about Paul (PK90) at the time so I never called and asked him if the were OK but hopefully he'll chime in. The guys at Atlantic Firearms told me the brake could be removed so the break needs to be pinned, or remove and a cap put on the threads and pinned. The bayonet lug is easy to remove. It's the model being that it's stamped "AK-74" and that would make it a "Automat Kalashnikov"...

The photo I posted is from 2011, Here are my notes I wrote down when I was researching to buy one in Jan: Ran out of Nodak receivers and started producing them in-house and they are stamped "Model: AK-74" with the company name "Waffen Werks", the serials start with "WW" for Waffen Werks on all receivers produced by them. This info is current as of Jan 2013 when I called Atlantic Firearms about buying one. Now, if it says AK-47 or AK-74 it is banned by name and is illegal in New Jersey (per NJSP website): "Assault firearms" means: 1. The following firearms: Algimec AGM1 type Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12" Armalite AR-180 type Australian Automatic Arms SAR Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms Bushmaster Assault Rifle Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900 CETME G3 Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types Demro TAC-1 carbine type Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types FAMAS MAS223 types FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns G3SA type Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1 Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms M1 carbine type M14S type MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms PJK M-68 carbine type Plainfield Machine Company Carbine Ruger K-Mini-14/5 and Mini-14/5 SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types SKS with detachable magazine type Spectre Auto carbine type Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun Uzi type semi-automatic firearms Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms Weaver Arm Nighthawk 2. Any firearm manufactured under any designation which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed in paragraph (1) above; --------------------- I wouldn't roll the dice and purchase one since AK stands for "Automat Kalashnikov" and based on the above list it would be very risky or possibly illegal to own in NJ.

It is illegal in NJ, even if the bayonet lug was ground off and the muzzle device was perm. pinned it would still be illegal. This is why: That's a Waffen Werks AK-74, I think they are still using the Nodak receivers. As you can see it's stamped "AK-74" and the NJSP bans all AK variants by name including the AK-47/AK-74. If it says AK-47/AK-74 on the receiver it's illegal and no FFL will transfer it to you. Of course, if the receiver said WASR, SAR, etc. it would be OK as long as the bayonet lug is ground off and muzzle device is pinned plus no 30rd mags. I could be wrong, but if the receiver said AK-47 or AK-74 I would personally run like hell from it. A SAR-2 is the same rifle, they are ban compliant and many came with no muzzle device or threaded barrel and have a ground off bayonet lug. Perfectly legal in NJ...

And that is what has me worried! Why should a private company have my SSN, NJ DL, Name, Address, DOB, etc. without the FFL being required to disclose this to the customer? What if the people who are employed at this company decide to sell our info on the darknet? SSN, Name, Address, DOB = Open bank accounts, take out loans, obtain credit lines, etc. If I wanted to, what's stopping me (besides Federal law) from having a few modems and a few phone lines 24/7 autodial the fax number to prevent NICS requests from reaching them? one of the FFL's I use had given me the number and said it takes them a good dozen or so tries before the fax goes thru! I have NOT called the number, btw. The State of New Joisey is so ass backwards!!!

Nah, you should eat a few of these new cookies...I hear they help tin foil hat syndrome and...never mind!

But remember, It's For The Children!!! I agree, the Govt. has no need to know what I have. Unless they send a Super Trooper or doorman with a 20LB sledgehammer to beat down my door I will refuse to show them anything, my stash is OEO (Official Eyes Only) and that means my eyes only and not the Govt's!

Yep, the pistol permits allow them to know who has a handgun within the State. Rifles and shotguns even when purchased from a FFL are not known to the State, and you could have sold them at FTF so no real way of tracking what long-guns someone owns. I agree with you, do not volunteer information that isn't needed.

Keep everything hidden and out of view, make sure the car is "clean". I have no stickers, etc. on my car that would tell the cops "HEY! I have guns! I have ammo! Please stop me!" When I've been stopped and asked if I had any weapons inside the car I always answer NO and if they should ask me to step out I lock the doors, if nothing is visible from outside they will never stand a chance at getting a warrant signed by a Judge.

I tried researching it but couldn't find the actual company so thanks for filling me in. So they wasted our tax dollars by enlisting Champion Communications to receive the faxes and forward them so NJSP can conduct the actual NICS checks? I wonder why NJSP decided to enlist such a company versus doing the work themselves? Is NJSP just cheap and lazy or are they deliberately trying to slow down the NICS checks in hopes people will not purchase firearms? Since the State cannot trust any of us with firearms?

Good for the home owner! A nice semi-auto 1919a4 with belts would be better Nope, LET them get inside first and finish them off. Wait for them to get inside, grab that semi 12GA with some 3" shells of 00 buck and let them have it! Just make sure you can afford some paint and cleaning supplies, aint gonna be pretty

Deliberately slow down the NICS check to discourage people from buying Firearms, that's how I see it. And I heard the company that handles the NICS checks isn't even in NJ! it's a private company that handles NJ NICS when you purchase a firearm. This is why I would rather pay more and do a FTF for something versus waiting for weeks while my fax sits in some bin waiting for someone to run the check and fax back the approval. BTW, Legend Firearms in N. Jersey will let you fill out a form online and they will fax in the NICS so no need to drive up to the shop and fill out the form/drive back after NICS is approved to pickup...You wait for them to get the NICS approval faxed back and make one trip to pickup your gun (this is how I understand it, corrct me if I'm wrong)...

Do they pay more accross state lines??? I have some evil Antique BB rifles and a BB pistols....Wait! NJ is the only state to consider them firearms so I won't get jack for 'em, Ughh!!!