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Fair point, but then it is even more a stretch than my initial idea, at least in my view. If I have 15rd Glock 19 mag and my cousin has 10rd Glock 26 mags with baseplate extension to hold +2 rounds, then one could argue I have "access" to parts that can be assembled into a mag holding more than 15 rounds. Hell I can just go to the nearest LGS and buy such a plate ("for Glock 26") not even explaining anything to anyone. Hotel point is fine, if you have relatives in mentioned Pittsburgh / Ohio with nice bench in a garage, you can pretty much do all the work there and come back with legal mags. Nonetheless, it's a deviation from a specific legal "problem" I have in mind now :-)

Hi, folks, I was just wondering if someone can comment on another stupid idea that recently came to my mind. So, here is the scenario: You and your cousin, both living in NJ, decide to visit relatives in Pittsburgh / Poconos / Ohio / Florida etc. together with families. You drive in two different vehicles, but try to start your journey at the same time pretty much driving one after the other, making stops on the same gas stations, in the same motels etc. On your way back you stop in Cabela's (Bass Pro / other gun store) and see a great sale of all times - let's say, Magpul AR 30-rounder mags for $5 each. Before even realizing all legality matters, you go ahead and buy 20 mags, 10 mags for each of you. And then you do the following - you disassemble all 20 mags and split their parts in the following way: - Bag #1 - mag bodies, followers and maybe springs - Bag #2 - baseplates and plate inserts You put Bag#1 in your trunk and your cousin puts Bag#2 in his and you drive home to NJ (you live in one place, he lives in the other) Right after you come home you take your mag bodies, measure where exactly you need to stop the follower to hold no more than 15 rounds and rivet mag bodies with followers already in place, put plenty of epoxy around rivets etc. etc. (Doesn't really matter what exactly you do, let's say you block the bodies using an _acceptable_ method) A week later you visit your cousin with a full bag of blocked mag bodies, you put his parts in and have 20 AR mags blocked to hold 15 rounds each. You are both happy because you got enough 15rders for cheap with little efforts. Variation of scenario - you drive alone, you take mags apart and send baseplates and inserts to your address by mail the slowest way possible so that by the time it comes to you, you already have all bodies blocked. *** So, I don't see this scenario as worth the efforts for 1-2 mag, but if you can get hold of plenty of standard capacity 30-rders for cheap, that might be a dealbreaker. I am also not really into discussing if the mods you do are "permanent enough" - this has been discussed many times before and some of us have different views on it. My question is really the following - in such a scenario, when you essentially transport "mag parts", and NOT magazines altogether, are you violating any of NJ laws? IANAL, but I would say "no", as you never take possession of the full-capacity magazine according to its definition, as parts you have are not capable of "continuously and reliably feeding rounds blah-blah-blah". By the time you assemble all parts into a working mag it is already limited to allowed capacity. Things can in theory go tricky if you have a couple of 10-rd Magpul mags at home - this way you have all the parts in possession that CAN be readily assembled into 30rd mag. Thoughts?

LOL, any compounds or inserts used for modification of a mag must contain a small charge of explosive that is set to go off if someone attempts to remove a block destroying the mag and hands of a criminal, trying to squeeze 2 extra rounds... I see it as a great marketable idea :-))) One will then be able to say that not only guns kill people, but mags too...

IMO, not even close. I'll explain my idea behind my question - I have nothing against GSSF matches, I'm GSSF member myself and I was really looking forward to coming to one of their matches last year, but had to cancel my plans pretty much last minute. I read several posts from guys here that, if summarized, basically stated that it had been a complete waste of time and example of the worst organization ever... BUT, I heard not once and not twice that GSSF matches are "a good start" as they are not "as sophisticated as other shooting disciplines" (I guess talking about uspsa, idpa and such). And in fact attendance figures seem to confirm this - I've never heard of any local-level USPSA match with 500-ish attendance As a person who started shooting USPSA only a year ago I am kind of curious why there is a general belief that Glock matches are "easier" for a noob and why attendance is skyrocketing ...

>>GSSF is a great opportunity for all level shooters. >>It's not a pro or "I'm hot shit, look at me" event. Mm, using this logic, are local USPSA matches more "I'm hot shit, look at me" events? :-)

Is this a mec-gar mag on a pic? If yes, then I can bet it can hold more than 15 :-) EDITED 5 minutes later: Never mind, I checked my mec-gar pics, they have a different follower. I posted this picture before, but will post it again - the only difference between 15rd FACTORY MADE Mec-Gar mags and 17rd FACTORY MADE Mec-Gar mags for CZ75 is a depressed part of a spring. Take 15rd mag, take pliers and in ~10 seconds you'll have a 17rd mag...

I have both and I frankly don't like either that much. Both throw occasional malfunctions with any type of ammo I've tried with them. The last time we went to EFGA my son had malfunctions with 15-22 roughly on every 4th-5th trigger squeeze (!) with CCI Minimags. Maybe it was too cold, maybe something else, but believe it or not that's what I've seen myself. But at the same time I am not too bothered with this - I consider those excellent training toys nonetheless. I still hope that maybe they will start shooting better after they break in, but the fact that we've already shot ~1000 rds in total through them (with several cleanings in the middle) slowly destroys my hope... At least I satisfied my 22 bug (by buying those 2 rifles and thousands of rounds), so now I can focus on bigger bore calibers, LOL.

Pathetic. I've been laughing at the "state of emergency" announced in NJ last year (or 2 years ago, don't remember) in January - I think there was more snow that time than now. Right now there is probably 1-2" on the garage roof next to my apartment building (I even see black roof texture through the layer of snow there) and clearly nobody was cleaning a roof, LOL, so that's pretty much all we had here in Bloomfield. My son is upset - he wanted to play with snow and was excited to finally see some :-)

I'll be there for sure, already cleaned my shotguns and bought a box of clays today :-) See you all there!

99% I'm in (no USPSA pistol match that day luckily, just 3-gun, LOL) with 2 shotguns including a tiny 510 in 20ga I bought recently for my little one Maybe I'll convince a friend of mine who is now in the process of getting his FID to join me... Hope to see you all there this Sunday!

City-Data General info about the town http://www.city-data.com/city/Grand-Rapids-Michigan.html City-Data community section on GR http://www.city-data.com/forum/grand-rapids-metro-area/ A couple of threads that might be relevant http://www.city-data.com/forum/grand-rapids-metro-area/1775820-culture-grand-rapids.html http://www.city-data.com/forum/michigan/1682173-family-relocating-atlanta-ga-grand-rapids.html http://www.city-data.com/forum/grand-rapids-metro-area/1431096-grand-rapids-rough-detroit.html Sorry if you've already scrolled through those - I generally find City-data to be a reasonably good source for making first impression about the place. At some point when I knew literally nothing about NJ at all it actually helped me to stay away from places like Irvington etc...

"How to properly report on car-related incidents and safety recalls of Japanese cars" Class funded by a generous grant from Verband der Automobilindustrie e. V. ... Well at least this is how I see such a class/course funded by that Bloomberg's association...

Charlie Mike, may I ask you a stupid question, were you on the match @ RTSP the last Sunday?

I was under impression they go for ~$20 any day of the week in pretty much any LGS... at least I bought mine in Bullet Hole for somewhat similar price. $16 is still better, but I haven't looked what their shipping would be.

I might be wrong and I have nothing to substantiate my point of view, but I guess that the majority of NDs are cases when the person consciously squeezes the trigger (for fun, for dry-firing etc.) thinking that there is no round in the chamber and there actually is - in such a case trigger pull or firing system really make no difference. I don't know how many NDs happen because of a wrong grip while drawing a gun from holster that results in finger pretty much falling on a trigger, but I guess there aren't too many of those...

Actually, I disagree here (though I admit I might be totally wrong). I think illogical examples like this one should be as widely known as possible. We are not engaging in conspiracy here and not sharing recipes of how to circumvent existing regulations (unless you consider advice about 50 beowulf marking as the attempt to do so, LOL), but rather point out how a law-abiding citizen may all of a sudden become (at least in theory) a felon just based on how the law is defined now. I personally don't like it when where is a law on the shelf that has a potential to twist something upside down and make a law-abiding person a criminal - this is wrong on so many levels. We haven't written this law, but we have to live with it and try not to break it :-)

Come on, I'm joking I've personally always been on a side that mag cap restrictions are a joke for so many reasons, this is just one of them. I definitely don't want this thread (that I initially thought of mostly as a JOKE and illustration how BS the current regulation is) to grow into anything even remotely serious

We definitely need to spread the word to NY, CA, MD and other great states, as I *think* factory-made .40 Glock 10-rounders *may* hold 11+ rounds of 9mm :-)

Yeah, mine as well, I really heard felons sleep better as they have at least one concern less in their lives :-)

Vlad, thanks, now I can sleep better knowing that *by the letter of law* I'm a felon already, LOL PK90, that's what I immediately thought about - get hi-cap mags for my 9mm CZ, engrave ".40" on them and feel like a smartie who cheated the system

I wholeheartedly agree, but that abstract from the law that I mentioned in my first post says exactly nothing about the type of ammo the mag is designed to hold (40 marking). It only says about feeding. Apart from that, if I'm not mistaken, my CZ75 mags have no stamps at all (that's in part why I confuse them with my SIG P226 mags sometimes), so I can in theory imagine a .40 mag without any caliber markings...

So, no long preface or lengthy explanation - I know various topics of mag legality has been discussed million times before, but this one I've never personally heard about. 1) I have Glock 22 in 40 and Glock 19 in 9mm. 2) Glock 22 has a 15rd magazine for .40 and Glock 19 has a 15rd magazine for 9mm (both seem to be legal if used properly)... 3) Due to a relatively similar size of rounds, .40 Glock mags CAN be used to feed 9mm (reliability is out of the equation now, but I tried inserting G22 mag with some 9mm rounds to my G19 and I was able to continuously load and extract 9mm rounds from the chamber for maybe 10 times (and then I stopped). 4) And... due to the mag size and due to the fact that 9mm rounds are a bit smaller than .40 you can easily put MORE THAN 15 rounds of 9mm to G22 mags. Oops... *** Speculating on what is said above, I can try to assume that everyone who has G22 with 15rd mags and any 9mm Glock (that will gladly accept mags from G22) might be a felon because of having a mag that can be practically used as a high-cap mag. The law says: "Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm" So, it only defines a large cap mag "in terms of operability" and says nothing about the caliber that is stamped on a mag or if it has been initially designed to hold that many rounds. *** Common sense tells me that this is a complete BS and nobody is going to prosecute on the grounds of an experiment with feeding a wrong type of ammo from a mag, not designed to be used with this ammo. But I will be happy to hear your opinion on this and specifically some ideas on why this logic is wrong (that I definitely hope of)...

uspsa.org seems be in Cloudera "I'm under attack" mode for the second time this week - I haven't seen this message before at all... Checking your browser before accessing uspsa.org. This process is automatic. Your browser will redirect to your requested content shortly. Please allow up to 5 seconds… DDoS protection by CloudFlare Kind of strange, didn't think anyone might want to hack USPSA website. What for? To get secret classifier percentage calculation algorithm, lol? )

How many AR mags one would normally need for such a match? (i.e. what's the round count for a rifle for a particular stage?). I have enough gear for my pistol as I shoot USPSA regularly, but I've never even seen 3gun, let alone participated in it... :-)