DeerSlayer

I agree with you as well. When I don't agree is when i go to a house with an 80 year old lady living alone with a cracked heat exchanger. A bunch of cat food cans in the recycling bin and all over the counter, with no cats to be seen in the house anywhere. And I have to tell them instead of $3,800 for a new furnace its going to cost $7,000 because the new laws force me to install 90% or higher equipment or better. That's where I see the problem. And it happens a lot. I wind up basically putting the thing in for almost free and a tin of cookies lol...

I have ways of making even an older boiler significantly more efficient. they make some pretty cool controls these days that stop short cycle and use outdoor reset. If your running a tankless coil built into your boiler an indirect fired water heater is a 30% fuel savings alone.

But its for the children! Don't you love children? LoL. Someone is making a lot of money. They tried it with HVAC equipment recently they lost for now. But its coming back soon they won't give up this fight (EPA).

The battle for first place is on thanksgiving as I see it.

I'm heading to Rockaway only 10 min from my house.

Supply houses sell them either way. Usually have tall or short in stock. Your never going to find another heater exactly the same as your current heater. So it doesn't really matter. Your going to be soldering pipe and messing with the vent either way. I would be more concerned with the height of the gas valve. For me its easy to lengthen or shorten a the gas supply, I have assortments of black nipples and fittings on my truck. You will probably be making multiple trips to and from your local home improvement big box store for what you need.

I'm heading to Dicks Thursday around 4pm the doors open at 5. I want that 64 gun safe. Its on the door buster list. Mrs. Deer Slayer is pissed I will not be attending thanksgiving in Bernerdsville at her uncle & his husband's house. I would rather wait on line at a store I hate than sit through dinner with two flaming liberals. The fact that they suck each others dicks, and engage in anal sex doesn't bother me. But the fact that they are Obama lovers makes me sick to my stomach. I can't sit through a dinner listening to left wing banter.

Or Texas as far as I know, they are a nuisance animals.

Contact JFoster99 here on the forum. he is an NRA instructor, and I took his Basic pistol class. Good guy, excellent instructor. update: just read back and saw you already took the class. Good luck with your new gun once you get it.

I say Texas! They have Heli-Hogging!

My favorite muscle car 71 Chevelle

My first car

I learned how to drive on that car. My mom had one. Close to the same color.

Pretty much spot on. Its simple.

Correct natural draft heaters are no longer high efficiency. Power vented units are now. They produce a stack temperature of 120* or less, meaning the tank is absorbing almost all the heat the burner is producing. Now a natural draft heater produces stack temperatures of 300* - 400* that your throwing up your chimney heating the neighborhood with. Also 24/7/365 that natural draft heater is pulling a draft, sucking the cold air from your basement floor through the center of your heater (where the hot water is being stored) cooling it down as its sucked up the chimney. power vented units induce their own draft only during a call for heat. One reason they are much more efficient.

Think about that next time you bitch to yourself about paying $8-$12 for a sandwich at a diner. Thats a lot of soups and sandwiches to buy a water heater.

I called Hanover Supply in Randolph. A 100 gal commercial powervent (natural gas high efficiency) water heater at 100,000 BTU is $5000 my cost for the tank and draft inducing blower. They have to be built to order. Let me know how many you want me to get you lol.... keep in mind this is what's required to run a commercial kitchen for food service. This is why two 50's or two 75's twinned together is the way to go for a home, if you really needed that much hot water. How big is your tub??? Hahhah.

Once these rules go into effect there will only be heaters with electronic ignition. Pilot lights will become a thing of the past, they cant meet the efficiency standards with a standing pilot.

A lot! they are commercial only. Anything commercial is $$$$$. Better off twining two 50 gal heaters together for a residential application IMO. 75 gal is the largest gas fired residential water heater. 80 gal is the largest electric water heater for residential Anything larger than that is considered commercial. I will call tomorrow for a price for you on a 100 gal, sit down when you read my post.

Boilers heat water, furnaces heat air. You have a boiler. Unless you have hydronic coils in an air handler, then you would still have a boiler that makes the heat for forced air. Its kinda like calling a "magazine" a "clip" to me, when you say that your furnace makes your hot water lol...

Bro you have an Indirect fired water heater, how much oil could you possibly be using in the summer with 2 people in the house? If its more than half a tank your burner needs me!

Every 7-10 years. Keeping one longer than that is costing more in energy than it would to replace it at that point.

Yeah that includes the heater. That $1500 price tag is for a 75 gal powervent they aren't cheap. a 40 or 50 gal natural draft or electric I usually get about $900 installed. The bigger the tank or the higher the efficiency the more $$$$ it costs. I make about $300 per install or less, after overhead, materials including the tank, pay help to bring in the new and bring out the old. Some heaters are easy and some are a bitch. Every now and then you get one that takes more than half a day to change. sometimes you get lucky and they take an hour.

That wasn't a new standard, its been in the code for years. Most inspectors just recently discovered they could bust balls for it lol... any gas appliances over 40,000 btu must use 4" minimum. If you have a water heater thats 38,000 for example 3" flue pipe is still sufficient and allowed by code. The ratings plate on the heater shows the btu output. Your old heater although probably the same capacity, probably had a lower output than your new heater has. The last few years the output has been increased on most units as they have become more efficient.

We have been talking about this at master plumber association meetings for the past few years. The Bradford White company was fighting against this federally for a while. They finally lost the fight so its happening. The thing people don't realize is the size difference of some of these new tanks, they are way larger than whats currently out there. If you have a water heater in a closet that just fits now, replace it before its too late to get an old tank. The new ones are not going to fit in the same space. This is going to add a lot of cost to installs of replacement heaters. Most will have to be completely re piped when we change them. Most guys are charging between $900-1500 for a heater depending on what's needed. Expect water heater installs to start around $1,500 and up after this takes full effect.