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Oh, yeah. I forgot NJ assault weapon definition also applies to semi-auto rifles that do not have removable magazine. I bought my model 60 back in the late '90s when I lived in a free state but it only holds 14 .22LR rounds so I'm good.

What makes this an assault rifle? It's a semi-auto .22LR for plinking, target shooting and small game hunting. The way the PRNJ writes laws, this is pretty much the only other weapon they feel safe with me having that's not a muzzle loader or shotgun. I do want to retract my bid on this as being a first gun for a 10 year old. My kid is very tall at 10, at about 5'1" tall. Most kids are much smaller and this gun is long and a little heavy.

I'll toss in a vote for the Marlin Model 60. Took mine and my 10 year old daughter to the range for the first time last month and she loved it.

No problem. Another good resource is the fish and game digest. This link will bring you to the 2017-2018 version. I don't think 2018-19 is out yet for hunting/trapping but for fishing it looks like its available: http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/dighnt.htm Something else to be aware of is the different deer zones and the regulation sets that apply to each zone (all found in the digest). Each has its own specific rules, bag limits, etc. For example, a zone near me has a rule that you cannot take an antlered deer that has less than 3 spikes on at least 1 side of the rack. This system of zones with individual rules are to help management of the deer populations in different areas across the state and are not intended to be confusing but it doesn't always take long to get confused.

I guess the rifle and shotgun courses use to be two separate courses, but now it is combined into 1 firearms course. If you used to have just the shotgun course and you now want to get the rifle permit, you would have to take the current course. Here is the link where I got that. I just did the course back in April. http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/hunted.htm

Some websites have agreement with FFL's to keep their info stored. In that case you can put in your zip code and they will show which FFLs they have info for near you. You select them, the gun ships, and you get a phone call when it arrives. If you want it shipped to a specific FFL who does not have their info already on file with the store/website you are buying from, you should check with that FFL first to ensure that they will accept a transfer from the store or website you are buying from before you make the purchase. It is not mandatory that they provide their info to the shipper and accept the transfer so I always check ahead of time as a courtesy. I just call and say "hi, I'm looking to buy XYZ from somesite.com and I wanted to know if you would accept the transfer." They say yes, they tell you their transfer fee and tell you to call back with the order or invoice number once you make the purchase online and have an invoice or order number. You call them back with that number, then they call the place you buy from and give their FFL number to go with the invoice which allows the gun to ship to them. The rifle ships and when it arrives, you'll be called to come in to the store to do all the same paperwork, NICS check etc as you would do as if buying a gun off the store shelf.

I think most people get a brake because the standard issue flash hider is not legal in the PRNJ. It wouldn't look right with just the threads exposed on the end of the barrel. So, if you have to pay for something to be permanently installed, the brake is the better choice. It provides a benefit of reducing muzzle movement which allows for quicker target re-acquisition, where as a nut provides no benefits. The cosmetic appeal is an important factor too. Like cars, people like to customize their rifle. Look at all the different types and colors of hand guards and butt stocks. There are different colors of magazines. The original M16 fixed stock and triangular hand guards from the Vietnam era are perfectly serviceable for what they are, but most people don't choose that for their privately own guns.

Good job man, most people would panic and would not get past the 911 call.

Bury them hadn't occurred to me. That's interesting. My uncle shot a coyote once and has it as a standing mount. Can't imagine what that cost. I'll have to ask around the local area if any taxidermists take them to mount and sell if the person bringing it in is not the one purchasing the mount.

I know this thread is a little aged, but I was wondering what do hunters around here do with fox or coyotes after they shoot them? When I was stationed in South Dakota, they could be sold for the pelts. Hunting them there was encouraged because they were a nuisance to the livestock ranchers which is a primary industry in that area. What is the protocol around here?

It looks like their plan is to pass as many unconstitutional laws as fast as possible to make it extremely difficult for 2A support groups to be able to afford to challenge them all. The scorched earth element of the plan is that it is clogging every level of the court system with cases challenging the constitutional validity of these new laws, in turn, any reversals are going to take decades to go into effect if they were to ever come at all.

It's probably not illegal in NJ yet only because they haven't seen this video yet. Imagine the panic in Trenton when they realize it is possible to attach a gun to a gun. They already outlaw bayonet lugs due to the high number of crimes being committed with knives that are attached to guns

The state takes WAY LONGER to return them. Plus as mentioned, the law says you can only file with NJSP if you live in an area with no municipal police. I live in such area. Last week I got a P2P back from NJSP after applying in November of 2017. Took 117 days before I got it back, (but it came with the extension already filled out). State law says they have no more than 30 days to return it. From talking to the state police (local and in Trenton) I found out the reason the State takes way longer than nearly all municipalities. Local Police Chiefs have the authority to approve your P2P once the background check is done. NJSP Barracks Commanders do not have that authority. So all applications for P2P are sent to Trenton to be checked and signed off by a single office in the NJSP Firearms Division. The backlog is enormous because they have so many more to process than any 1 municipal police department has to process.

I noticed mine came with an extension already approved. I thought it was because I had been complaining to the state legislator about the 30 day max to return the permit (as established by NJ State Law) had taken over 100 days. (117 before I got it back) I applied in November of 2017 and got it back in the middle of February 2018. From talking to the state police (local and in Trenton) I found out the reason the State takes way longer than municipalities. Local Police Chiefs have the authority to approve your P2P once the background check is done. Local NJSP Barracks Commanders do not have that authority. So all applications for P2P are sent to the state to be checked and signed off by a single office. The backlog is enormous because they have so many more to process than any 1 municipal police department.

These 20+ year old kids are the generation being raised with rubber mats under their playground equipment instead of dirt, never got in a fight, being taught that everything should be fair, every game ends in a tie, and everyone gets a participation trophy just for showing up. They are not raised learning how to work with their hands, aren't taught that shooting is a skill and a gun is a tool that you have to handle responsibly, so they play video games and get this fantasy idea that guns give you magical powers and they can't wait to turn 21 to buy one and shoot everyone who laughed at them and hurt their tender little feelings when they were a kid.

Edit: let me read more before I comment. Ok, I re-read it. The only thing missing is a Political Officer assigned to each municipality to ensure the socialist mandate is being observed by all subjects under his jurisdiction.

Very good point sir. Joseph Stalin once said "Quantity has a quality all it's own." He said this of the T-34 tanks vs the German tanks of WWII. The T-34s were cheaper and easier to build. They had lighter armor (first tank with sloped armor), but the shear numbers could not be overcome.

Before Supreme Court Justice Scalia died, when the SC over turned Washington DC's gun laws, he wrote in his ruling that one of the purpose of the 2nd amendment was to arm people to be able to defend against the over-reach of a tyrannical government should that ever become necessary. His opinion was that we should have similar weaponry to that available to law enforcement. Not full auto machine guns like the military has, but not flint lock muskets either. Now some have pointed out this very valid point: Its impossible for us to have enough firepower to defeat our own army and/or Air Force. Some will counter with this: according to Posse Comitatus, the branches of the arm forces cannot be used against our own civilian populations, only the National Guard (as pointed out, is us, citizen soldiers). This was added in 1878 because the Founding Fathers did not dream of Abrams Tanks and Stealth Bombers. Has the active military ever been used against citizens in a domestic incident? Look closely at the events of Waco Texas, where tanks from nearby army base were involved when they assaulted the compound. Every agency involved, from the Texas Rangers, BATFE, US Marshals, FBI, the whole alphabet soup of agencies wanted into that place and got warrants to go in (some legit, some not so legit). Nothing in their requests for warrants (and nothing found afterward to this day) showed that they knew or suspected there was manufacturing of drugs taking place in the compound. Had there been, they could have legally asked General Clark for assistance from the Army Joint Task Force Six because there is an exception to Posse Comitatus for drug war activity. I digress. It looks like the authors of the Bill of Rights foresaw the need to defend against the law enforcement agencies that existed at the time who directly enforced the will of the executive and legislative branches of government (Sheriffs, Marshals, state militias/ currently know as National Guard, etc) but at that time, there were only rifles, mortars and cannons. Enough riflemen could take on and defeat opposing mortars and cannons. Bottom line: The advancement of technology has led to us having no ABILITY to outshoot the government. However, it is my opinion that this fact does not mean we should not have the will or ability to attempt to fight back if necessary. Sometimes the will to fight is enough to win a fight.

My wife was talking about us moving back to South Dakota after we retire. We spent a lot of time there when I was on active duty. Much lower property taxes, lower cost of living, very friendly 2A laws, beautiful part of the country as we were minutes from Mt Rushmore. The winters can be hell, but it tends to keep a lot of the riff-raff out. The state is the size of PA with less than a million people total. Nice place to make the retirement dollars stretch further if things don't get any better here.

When you say "creating your own prison" I'm not sure if that is sarcastic but I'm just trying to point out that it's an effective, proven method to reduce violence in public buildings with large gatherings of people.

Unfortunately, businesses that retail certain firearms and firearms accessories are in the spot light in ways that us individuals are not. The laws allow them to be inspected for compliance way easier than we can be inspected. For example, NJ law is currently 15 round capacity for mags. Let's pretend Joe Citizen moved here from a free state with a Glock 17 and 3 factory mags that have a 17 round capacity. There's a very slim chance that Joe would be found out in this scenario without doing something to draw the attention of Law Enforcement to his guns. On the other hand, a retail business has to advertise. They can't keep in private like Joe Citizen could. It's much easier for LE to monitor a business for compliance. To many compliance issues and their licenses and/or permits could be pulled along with fines and possible threats of lawsuits and/or jail time. On top of that, they have to make good faith efforts to abide by the laws of the states where they sell things as well as the state in which they are located. Joe Citizen just has to worry about avoiding unwanted attentions from local law, which is rather easy in comparison. For a long time I've felt that firearms laws, including CCW and drivers licenses should be governed at the federal level, not the state. My license lets me drive in every state so why should there be 50 different rules from 50 different states. This is 1 country not 50 different countries, so the firearms rules should be the same everywhere for all people and all businesses.

If they want to make schools safer why don't they put metal detectors and guards at the doors? When you go to a court house, you go through a metal detector and get wanded. Go to an Eagles game and you go through a metal detector, get wanded and women must have the clear plastic purses. Airports, same thing. International flights have you swab your hands for explosive residue. Statue of Liberty lately? Not only do they have metal detectors and wands, they have you step inside a phone booth that blows high pressure air all over you, then vacuums the air into a chamber that checks for explosive material particulates. Adding better security to schools would not only increase security, but it would create jobs without further infringement on our 2A rights. 3 birds, 1 stone.

They sure get specific with the wording. How recent does the course have to be? Does the CCW permit actually specify what model gun you are allowed to carry? (These things are like unicorns, you hear about them but never see them) I was in the military from 1998-2007. From 2007-2012 I was a cop, then from 2012-now I'm full time in the National Guard. I think I handled a gun once or twice and was going to use that to show I'm "thoroughly familiar with safely handing of handguns" as the State Code says, but the Administration Code says you have to submit the scores you got with the gun you intend to carry. That could be a problem.... On the bright side, I FINALLY got my P2P today!

Just watched that video. I will apply. If I get denied ( which will most likely be the result) then at least I helped the cause by boosting the stats in the wrongfully denied column by +1. If there's not a lot of people who have applied for CCW, then it could look like not a lot of people are interested in exercising that right and the state already thinks it's ok to take that right away. It's worth applying so I can put my name down as one who wants his 2A rights. I'm going to wait to turn in a CCW application until I get my most recent P2P back. I applied to my local NJSP barracks in November of last year and still have not got it back. The firearms unit in Trenton said the paperwork was approved on January 2nd, but it never came back to the local barracks for me to pick up. I actually got in touch with Stephen Sweeney's office (he's covers my area of NJ) about this unnecessary and preventable infringement on my 2A right and they have started a process to investigate. I know it usually takes a long time in NJ, but if I have to follow all these rules down to the last red hair then they should too. The law says they have 30 days. It's been way longer than that so the only thing I have to do while I wait is to complain about it. So I want to settle this matter before I start another paperwork process with them.

I'll buy 10 round mags for the range but if Murphy want something I already own, he'll have to come take it.