Just now, PoppaPops said:

I got my letter a week after you. 
Did you get the number 108 from the carry permit #?

Yeah its on the letter its gn-unn-108-22 that 3 digit number is the amount of apps the courts received. Im trying to figure out what number the court is at curretnly in the approval process but Im not in that facebook group.

I have a “friend” that applied for a non resident to the woodstown state police barracks back in July, just for fun as he works for a federal agency and walked into the barracks with 2 weapons on him…..the references were just called 1 each day yesterday being the finaL … as opposed to one right after the other?  the money order still not cashed 

Called in judge is still not at my app.

16 hours ago, ToddD said:

Got mine today, Fellas. First and only in Burlington County. 

Also specifies the gun I qualified with on court order.  Already sent everything to strikeforce.

 

If you want to get technical about # 9, it will mean that if you went to any other person's house for dinner (example: going to your in-laws on Thanksgiving) and they are serving wine, beer, eggnog etc....you will NOT be able to carry even if you are not drinking.

 

1 hour ago, Mike77 said:

What if when you got your driver's license, they told you that you can only drive the car that you got tested in? You telling me that it's okay to drive any car because you have a license because you showed you know how to drive, but when you go to show that you know how to handle gun they tell you you can only handle that one?

Excellent comparison 

Nj permit mess

31 minutes ago, ATFspymen said:

Called in judge is still not at my app.

Mind sharing the contact of who you spoke to? 

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2 hours ago, Ficus said:

No mention of anyone else today. But correct about 40 people all got permits in hand today. 

 

 

They handed them to you all right there at that hearing? 

Seems elsewhere, they are getting mailed back to the PD's for distribution...

 

54 minutes ago, Rambo said:

Excellent comparison 

I forget the name but it was a guy used ext 21044.

Another question…..so are the permit holders allowed to actually carry effective Ammo that is less likely to over penetrate or do you guys have to carry fmj or some other almost 20 year old technology like pow’rball or the efmj crap?

2 hours ago, JRT said:

what exactly do you find unacceptable? anyone should be able to carry a gun onto a military base or into a superior court building?  to a giants game section 222, row 6 at metlife?

 Some guy who has an “official” clean criminal and mental history check, fancies himself a good shot after hitting 42 of 50 rounds on a Q target -  has a second amendment right to strap on a gun and go anywhere he wants, anytime he wants?

There are reasonable limits to everything in a civilized society.  

"shall not be infringed" is pretty clear.

2 minutes ago, pjd832 said:

Another question…..so are the permit holders allowed to actually carry effective Ammo that is less likely to over penetrate or do you guys have to carry fmj or some other almost 20 year old technology like pow’rball or the efmj crap?

You can carry Hornady Critical Defense.

2 minutes ago, PoppaPops said:

You can carry Hornady Critical Defense.

Feel sorry for you guys!

Just now, pjd832 said:

Feel sorry for you guys!

Nothing to feel sorry about, but that’s a whole other subject.

I mean it’s great they are finally letting permits be issued…but to limit people to poor performing ammo is not right either…flies in opposition to.the whole “in common use” thing 

My permit has completed its tour of north Jersey and is now sitting quietly in my wallet. I'll post pictures when I have scanned them, but it looks just like all the others. I'm confused that under restrictions, 'None' and 'See Court Order' are both checked.

The court order lists the guns I qualified with and states I can only carry those guns.

I must have my permit with me while carrying.

It also says that I "may amend this permit to include additional handgun(s) by notifying the court in writing, setting forth the make, model and serial number of the additional handgun(s) and demonstrating to the court by way of qualification that (my name) is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of the additional handgun(s), in accordance with N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4(b)"

Finally, it says "any list of places where the carrying of firearms shall not be allowed, which is enacted by statute or regulation, shall be incorporated into this Order by law."

1 minute ago, pjd832 said:

I mean it’s great they are finally letting permits be issued…but to limit people to poor performing ammo is not right either…flies in opposition to.the whole “in common use” thing 

There is nothing about Hornady Critical Duty that is poor performance. That's what I'm carrying.

2 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

My permit has completed its tour of north Jersey and is now sitting quietly in my wallet. I'll post pictures when I have scanned them, but it looks just like all the others. I'm confused that under restrictions, 'None' and 'See Court Order' are both checked.

The court order lists the guns I qualified with and states I can only carry those guns.

I must have my permit with me while carrying.

It also says that I "may amend this permit to include additional handgun(s) by notifying the court in writing, setting forth the make, model and serial number of the additional handgun(s) and demonstrating to the court by way of qualification that (my name) is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of the additional handgun(s), in accordance with N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4(b)"

Finally, it says "any list of places where the carrying of firearms shall not be allowed, which is enacted by statute or regulation, shall be incorporated into this Order by law."

Congratulations Mr. Stu !

2 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

There is nothing about Hornady Critical Duty that is poor performance. That's what I'm carrying.

Well answer me this HONESTLY if not banned by the NJ overlords would you still chose it?  

also then why when such restrictions are not a factor and extensive testing is done by whole divisions of testing it’s not selected by ANY agency? 

I get it just like the kid in high school who only had an old maverick  hooptie car and other kids had new mustangs and novas /chevelles he took pride in his car polished the hubcaps and said it was just as good as theirs  but reality is what it is lol

3 minutes ago, pjd832 said:

Well answer me this HONESTLY if not banned by the NJ overlords would you still chose it?  

also then why when such restrictions are not a factor and extensive testing is done by whole divisions of testing it’s not selected by ANY agency? 

I get it just like the kid in high school who only had an old maverick  hooptie car and other kids had new mustangs and novas /chevelles he took pride in his car polished the hubcaps and said it was just as good as theirs  but reality is what it is lol

I would carry it.

Also, it is used by one of the biggest agencies that actually does test the ammo they issue - it is the current duty ammo for the FBI.

7 minutes ago, pjd832 said:

Well answer me this HONESTLY if not banned by the NJ overlords would you still chose it?  

also then why when such restrictions are not a factor and extensive testing is done by whole divisions of testing it’s not selected by ANY agency? 

I get it just like the kid in high school who only had an old maverick  hooptie car and other kids had new mustangs and novas /chevelles he took pride in his car polished the hubcaps and said it was just as good as theirs  but reality is what it is lol

As much as it sucks that NJ bans conventional hollow points, critical defense and critical duty are better anyway. Critical defense will be in my short barreled EDC and duty in a longer full size. 

30 minutes ago, pjd832 said:

Well answer me this HONESTLY if not banned by the NJ overlords would you still chose it?  

also then why when such restrictions are not a factor and extensive testing is done by whole divisions of testing it’s not selected by ANY agency? 

I get it just like the kid in high school who only had an old maverick  hooptie car and other kids had new mustangs and novas /chevelles he took pride in his car polished the hubcaps and said it was just as good as theirs  but reality is what it is lol

What extensive testing are you referring?

Critical duty/ defense is designed specifically with the shortcomings of traditional hollow points in mind. 

It's not the best expanding, but it also won't overpenetrate. 

There is no bad or good defensive round depending on the application/situation.

 

1 hour ago, Mr.Stu said:

I'm confused that under restrictions, 'None' and 'See Court Order' are both checked.

Just when I thought NJ couldn't be any more misleading. Anyway, glad you got it.

"I do not think about things I do not care to think about."

Matthew Harrison Brady, Inherit The Wind

3 hours ago, JRT said:

Some guy who has an “official” clean criminal and mental history check, fancies himself a good shot after hitting 42 of 50 rounds on a Q target -  has a second amendment right to strap on a gun and go anywhere he wants, anytime he wants?

Isn't that what goes on in the about 25 states that have Constitutional Carry?

6 hours ago, samiam said:

You are confusing the Administrative Code ("A. C.") with the Penal Code (i.e. "statute"). The A. C. is supposed to comprise an explanation of the statute to allow administrative staff to more easily follow it; the "statute" is supposed to control. Unfortunately in PRNJ the Authoritae have been allowed to pick and choose from each the language that they think best supports whatever abrogation of the rights of the people they choose to inflict on any given day. 

So when I look up New Jersey Statute 2C:58-4, and the statute is broken down in separate section listed a. through f. , you're telling me that a. through f. are administrative codes?

Section d. of that statute is where I copy and pasted to wording you quoted me to say I was confusing statute and administrative code.

What is the exact and complete wording of the statute, minus any administrative code?

41 minutes ago, RadioGunner said:

As much as it sucks that NJ bans conventional hollow points, critical defense and critical duty are better anyway. Critical defense will be in my short barreled EDC and duty in a longer full size. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, and not to turn this into a "why would/wouldn't you carry .22" but those are the real people who are beat considering the hollow point .22s do the best on ballistics test, aren't they?

5 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

So when I look up New Jersey Statute 2C:58-4, and the statute is broken down in separate section listed a. through f. , you're telling me that a. through f. are administrative codes?

Section d. of that statute is where I copy and pasted to wording you quoted me to say I was confusing statute and administrative code.

What is the exact and complete wording of the statute, minus any administrative code?

The statutes and Admin Code are separate texts. 

The Statute is:

2C:58-4 Permits to carry handguns.

    2C:58-4.   a. Scope and duration of authority. Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-5. One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit.
 
   All permits to carry handguns shall expire two years from the date of issuance or, in the case of an employee of an armored car company, upon termination of his employment by the company occurring prior thereto whichever is earlier in time, and they may thereafter be renewed every two years in the same manner and subject to the same conditions as in the case of original applications.
 
   b.   Application forms. All applications for permits to carry handguns, and all applications for renewal of permits, shall be made on the forms prescribed by the superintendent. Each application shall set forth the full name, date of birth, sex, residence, occupation, place of business or employment, and physical description of the applicant, and any other information the superintendent may prescribe for the determination of the applicant's eligibility for a permit and for the proper enforcement of this chapter. The application shall be signed by the applicant under oath, and shall be indorsed by three reputable persons who have known the applicant for at least three years preceding the date of application, and who shall certify thereon that the applicant is a person of good moral character and behavior.
 
   c.   Investigation and approval. Each application shall in the first instance be submitted to the chief police officer of the municipality in which the applicant resides, or to the superintendent, (1) if the applicant is an employee of an armored car company, or (2) if there is no chief police officer in the municipality where the applicant resides, or (3) if the applicant does not reside in this State. The chief police officer, or the superintendent, as the case may be, shall cause the fingerprints of the applicant to be taken and compared with any and all records maintained by the municipality, the county in which it is located, the State Bureau of Identification and the Federal Bureau of Identification. He shall also determine and record a complete description of each handgun the applicant intends to carry.
 
   No application shall be approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent unless the applicant demonstrates that he is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun.
 
   Each application form shall be accompanied by a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun, which shall be under oath and, in the case of a private citizen, shall specify in detail the urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant's life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun. Where possible, the applicant shall corroborate the existence of any specific threats or previous attacks by reference to reports of the incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
 
   If the application is not approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent within 60 days of filing, it shall be deemed to have been approved, unless the applicant agrees to an extension of time in writing.
 
   d.   Issuance by Superior Court; fee. If the application has been approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent, as the case may be, the applicant shall forthwith present it to the Superior Court of the county in which the applicant resides, or to the Superior Court in any county where he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident or employee of an armored car company. The court shall issue the permit to the applicant if, but only if, it is satisfied that the applicant is a person of good character who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun in accordance with the provisions of subsection c. of this section. The court may at its discretion issue a limited-type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he may carry and where and for what purposes the handguns may be carried. At the time of issuance, the applicant shall pay to the county clerk of the county where the permit was issued a permit fee of $20.
 
   e.   Appeals from denial of applications. Any person aggrieved by the denial by the chief police officer or the superintendent of approval for a permit to carry a handgun may request a hearing in the Superior Court of the county in which he resides or in any county in which he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident, by filing a written request for a hearing within 30 days of the denial. Copies of the request shall be served upon the superintendent, the county prosecutor, and the chief police officer of the municipality where the applicant resides, if he is a resident of this State. The hearing shall be held within 30 days of the filing of the request, and no formal pleading or filing fee shall be required. Appeals from the determination at the hearing shall be in accordance with law and the rules governing the courts of this State.
 
   If the superintendent or chief police officer approves an application and the Superior Court denies the application and refuses to issue a permit, the applicant may appeal the denial in accordance with law and the rules governing the courts of this State.
 
   f.   Revocation of permits. Any permit issued under this section shall be void at the time the holder thereof becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, and the holder of a void permit shall immediately surrender the permit to the superintendent who shall give notice to the licensing authority.
 
   Any permit may be revoked by the Superior Court, after hearing upon notice to the holder, if the court finds that the holder is no longer qualified for the issuance of a permit. The county prosecutor of any county, the chief police officer of any municipality, the superintendent, or any citizen may apply to the court at any time for the revocation of any permit issued pursuant to this section.
 
   amended 1979, c.179, s.12; 1981, c.135, ss.1,3,4 2018, c.37, s.1.

 

The Admin Code starts here and goes on for about 10 pages. https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=01544385-641e-47a5-8044-4043ffd70ec9&nodeid=AATADYAADAAB&nodepath=%2FROOT%2FAAT%2FAATADY%2FAATADYAAD%2FAATADYAADAAB&level=4&haschildren=&populated=false&title=§+13%3A54-2.1+Permit+to+carry+a+handgun&config=00JAA1YTg5OGJlYi04MTI4LTRlNjQtYTc4Yi03NTQxN2E5NmE0ZjQKAFBvZENhdGFsb2ftaXPxZTR7bRPtX1Jok9kz&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fadministrative-codes%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A5XKV-PWB1-FFMK-M2T8-00008-00&ecomp=8gf5kkk&prid=2f6d5a3b-a4c6-4c52-a878-e1dd1932c6d3

 

 

The Statutes are the laws voted on by our elected representatives.

The Administrative Codes are where Democrat officials, like the Democrat courts, get to do what they want.