Has anybody dealt with the Sussex barracks with the new qualifications and if they are requiring the full requal or just the class portion. I did my qualification at RTSP.  

What have they asked you for? My guess is nothing, same as Washington barracks hasn't asked me.

There is nothing in the statute that says you have to present proof of doing the updated qual and training to anyone, just that your permit won't be valid unless you complete them.

They haven’t ask for anything yet, I have a call out to Sussex and waiting on a call back from them. The girl at RTSP said to check with them somePD’s what an all new qual and some are ok with the in class use of force only

The law requires that you complete both the new qualifier and the new use of force training before Oct. 1.  I am not sure what  you're supposed to do with it once you complete them.    NJSP has the forms online here: https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml

 

1 hour ago, maintenanceguy said:

The law requires that you complete both the new qualifier and the new use of force training before Oct. 1.  I am not sure what  you're supposed to do with it once you complete them.    NJSP has the forms online here: https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml

 

i thought that was "unless the course you took was substantially similar"?

4 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

i thought that was "unless the course you took was substantially similar"?

If the instructor tells you that the course you fired is good to go, you have nothing else to do!

Who is making these decisions....really.

10 hours ago, JohnnyB said:

If the instructor tells you that the course you fired is good to go, you have nothing else to do!

I am an instructor and have decided to just sign off on myself.... Fuck em

Please let us know how that works out for ya...........

1 hour ago, glockncolts said:

I am an instructor and have decided to just sign off on myself.... Fuck em

I get that Nappan says the sky is falling in this issue, but it's a piece of paper that's required to meet an administrative need. 

If you're an instructor and you sign it and submit it to your PD I can't imagine why that wouldn't be sufficient.

 

I was told by our...."it's frowned upon".

1 hour ago, xXxplosive said:

I was told by our...."it's frowned upon".

 

Indeed.

At the end of the day someone signing the document is taking accountability for it (even it it's for themself), so if they're a recognized Instructor who is approved to do the sign-off, I don't think it should be a show-stopper.

Well with the statement posted today by the NJSP regarding testing requirements....guess it negates all the BS coming from the gun ranges and their qual. testing.....smoke and mirrors, right Anthony..........yup, keep requalifying....eventually you'll get to like it.    .$$$$...omo.

 

09/12/2023:
At this time the New Jersey State Police - Firearms Investigation Unit has yet to receive formal guidelines from the New Jersey Office of the Attorney General (NJ OAG) pertaining to the Legislative Mandated Permit to Carry Training requirements. Once the training guidelines are available the New Jersey State Police - Firearms Investigation Unit, they will immediately make them available to the public on this webpage.
Any inquiry (via. email or other means) pertaining to the Permit to Carry Training will not be responded to.

3 hours ago, xXxplosive said:

09/12/2023:
At this time the New Jersey State Police - Firearms Investigation Unit has yet to receive formal guidelines from the New Jersey Office of the Attorney General (NJ OAG) pertaining to the Legislative Mandated Permit to Carry Training requirements. Once the training guidelines are available the New Jersey State Police - Firearms Investigation Unit, they will immediately make them available to the public on this webpage.
Any inquiry (via. email or other means) pertaining to the Permit to Carry Training will not be responded to.

Right! Our AG is too busy suing anyone who doesn't want the state to groom their children in a government school to deal with administrative crap!

3 hours ago, xXxplosive said:

Well with the statement posted today by the NJSP regarding testing requirements....guess it negates all the BS coming from the gun ranges and their qual. testing.....smoke and mirrors, right Anthony..........yup, keep requalifying....eventually you'll get to like it.    .$$$$...omo.

 

09/12/2023:
At this time the New Jersey State Police - Firearms Investigation Unit has yet to receive formal guidelines from the New Jersey Office of the Attorney General (NJ OAG) pertaining to the Legislative Mandated Permit to Carry Training requirements. Once the training guidelines are available the New Jersey State Police - Firearms Investigation Unit, they will immediately make them available to the public on this webpage.
Any inquiry (via. email or other means) pertaining to the Permit to Carry Training will not be responded to.

Not sure this represents a change.

The latest 'form' that we've been talking about was posted in July and it's titled "Use of Force Interim Training For Private Citizen Concealed Carry", so it seems the 'interim' process is just lasting longer?

file:///C:/Users/Home%20Laptop/Downloads/PTC_Use_of_Force_and_Qualification_20230721-1.pdf

I guess the NJSP is saying there will be no updates to the 'interim' process until there's additional guidance.

On 9/12/2023 at 10:20 AM, xXxplosive said:

Please let us know how that works out for ya...........

It worked....

They accepted your documents with you signing off on yourself...........

They had no choice.....

 

please let us know the outcome.......thanks.

3 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

please let us know the outcome.......thanks.

Of ??? Just to be clear I already had my permit. This was just the paperwork for the extra hoops to jump through that was added...

did you sign off on your original too and are you on the list of State approved instructors / ranges.

4 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

did you sign off on your original too and are you on the list of State approved instructors / ranges.

No. 

Yes.

4 hours ago, glockncolts said:

It worked....

Glad to hear it!

Should be the same for EVERYONE but I suspect some PD's will be less accommodating.

On 9/11/2023 at 10:10 PM, 1LtCAP said:

i thought that was "unless the course you took was substantially similar"?

I have a recent email from the range where I qualified (Shooters) stipulating on behalf of my instructor, Dave Cope, and themselves, that my qualification complies with the current requirements and will remain vaild through the expiration of my permit in 2024. Since I also have USLS coverage, I will continue to carry without losing any sleep over this issue (or non-issue, if you prefer).

Doesn't the notification come from the Chief of your department...........not the range....when do they have any say reguarding the local gov't or state requirements....and wasn't it that range that advertised their similar requirements with no holster draw as well as GFH....correct me if I'm wrong....please explain.

11 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

Doesn't the notification come from the Chief of your department...........not the range....when do they have any say reguarding the local gov't or state requirements....and wasn't it that range that advertised their similar requirements with no holster draw....correct me if I'm wrong....please explain.

I think the primary sticking point will be the need for the SP 182 form.

 

2 hours ago, Grima Squeakersen said:

I have a recent email from the range where I qualified (Shooters) stipulating on behalf of my instructor, Dave Cope, and themselves, that my qualification complies with the current requirements and will remain vaild through the expiration of my permit in 2024. Since I also have USLS coverage, I will continue to carry without losing any sleep over this issue (or non-issue, if you prefer).

Was this a proactive email Shooters sent out, or in response to you contacting them? I did my qualification there also and have not heard anything from them. 

 

On 9/18/2023 at 6:44 PM, kc17 said:

Was this a proactive email Shooters sent out, or in response to you contacting them? I did my qualification there also and have not heard anything from them. 

 

Same question I have, I did mine at Shooters also, also Dave C. was is the Qual Officer. I did not get an e-mail (yet), so it would be great if GRIMA would let us know either way on the above question?

Appreciation in advance,

-Joe

From Shooters Facebook page, posted yesterday ...

UPDATE

PERMIT TO CARRY QUALIFICATIONS

We did not forget about you! We are still awaiting a few answers from the NJSP Firearms Investigation Unit & the AG’s office.

Rest assured IF AND ONLY IF we do need to requalify our customers we will be hosting the requalify courses free of charge to all of our customers with proof of initial qualifications at Shooters Sporting Center being required.

8 minutes ago, dajonga said:

From Shooters Facebook page, posted yesterday ...

UPDATE

PERMIT TO CARRY QUALIFICATIONS

We did not forget about you! We are still awaiting a few answers from the NJSP Firearms Investigation Unit & the AG’s office.

Rest assured IF AND ONLY IF we do need to requalify our customers we will be hosting the requalify courses free of charge to all of our customers with proof of initial qualifications at Shooters Sporting Center being required.

Thank you. I would be great if you could post final outcome here as well. I do not have a "book of feces" account anymore.