I hear you can carry any pistol you legally own once you have the NJ PTC, and not just the pistol you qualified with. What's the correct answer to this? And where to find the legal documentation to support this? Thanks in advance.

2c:58-4

47 minutes ago, diamondd817 said:

I hear you can carry any pistol you legally own once you have the NJ PTC, and not just the pistol you qualified with.

This is true.

Unless you have a permit issued by a judge that includes an order stating you can only carry listed pistols. If you have a judge issued court order attached to your permit approval, you must abide by that order, or petition the judge to amend/drop the order.

If anyone does have an attached court order, when you renew your permit through your local PD, the order will expire and your new permit will not have any restrictions on what you can carry.

Also - according to NJSP you do NOT have to get fingerprinted for renewals.

54 minutes ago, High Exposure said:

Also - according to NJSP you do NOT have to get fingerprinted for renewals.

Also, if you have been fingerprinted before for firearms in NJ (most of us since we had to get them done for FPIC & PtPP, but maybe not for non-res applications) you don't need to be fingerprinted again for initial applications either.

4 hours ago, glockncolts said:

2c:58-4

I didn't read through the entire statue yet, BUT, I did catch this:

"The chief police officer or the superintendent may require such other information from the applicant or any other person, including but not limited to publicly available statements posted or published online by the applicant, as the chief police officer or superintendent deems reasonably necessary to conduct the review of the application."

 

So, they can use social media posts or forum posts to deny you your permit? 

 

I assume this covers it?

 

"Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in a holster concealed on their person in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 and section 7 of P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.6). One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit and, except as otherwise provided in subsection b. of section 6 of P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.5), shall not be construed to authorize a holder to carry a handgun openly, provided that a brief, incidental exposure of a handgun while transferring it to or from a holster or due to the shifting of the person's body position or clothing shall be deemed a de minimis infraction within the contemplation of N.J.S.2C:2-11."

44 minutes ago, diamondd817 said:

I assume this covers it?

 

"Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in a holster concealed on their person in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 and section 7 of P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.6). One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit and, except as otherwise provided in subsection b. of section 6 of P.L.2022, c.131 (C.2C:58-4.5), shall not be construed to authorize a holder to carry a handgun openly, provided that a brief, incidental exposure of a handgun while transferring it to or from a holster or due to the shifting of the person's body position or clothing shall be deemed a de minimis infraction within the contemplation of N.J.S.2C:2-11."

and if you read that statute ( N.J.S.2C:2-11) you can still be arrested and charged for printing,  but the judge COULD dismiss it AFTER he tells the prosecutor.  What a bunch of bullshit.  That is what I can decipher...maybe someone can do better.

So then, why does the application ask you the make, model, caliber, and serial number of the gun you intend to carry?

2 hours ago, Tunaman said:

and if you read that statute ( N.J.S.2C:2-11) you can still be arrested and charged for printing,  but the judge COULD dismiss it AFTER he tells the prosecutor.  What a bunch of bullshit.  That is what I can decipher...maybe someone can do better.

My useless interpretation is that "exposed" isn't printing.  I think a prosecutor would have an uphill battle convincing a jury that printing is the same as exposed.   I'm not trying to print but I'm not putting too much effort into not printing either.  And, you are right about de minimis infraction doesn't mean you aren't charged.  It just means the judge can choose to dismiss the case but the prosecutor gets to have a hearing on the dismissal first.

56 minutes ago, diamondd817 said:

So then, why does the application ask you the make, model, caliber, and serial number of the gun you intend to carry?

So NJ can add them to the list of guns we own.   I filled out the form listing the guns I intended to carry.   I might change my mind though - since "One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof"

I brought one up to my local PD with 3 additional guns and they were very nonchalant about it. Like it wasn't necessary.

2 hours ago, diamondd817 said:

So then, why does the application ask you the make, model, caliber, and serial number of the gun you intend to carry?

The statute says the PD must collect that data. It is utterly pointless.

5 hours ago, diamondd817 said:

I didn't read through the entire statue yet, BUT, I did catch this:

"The chief police officer or the superintendent may require such other information from the applicant or any other person, including but not limited to publicly available statements posted or published online by the applicant, as the chief police officer or superintendent deems reasonably necessary to conduct the review of the application."

 

So, they can use social media posts or forum posts to deny you your permit? 

 

That was blocked by Judge Bumb's preliminary injunction ruling, IIRC.