So I find small pistol primers in stock at Cabelas.com. I drop them in my cart, go to check out and guess what...

 

Said they cant ship to NJ!

 

So I request an online cust. svs rep. I asked what was up. His response:

 

"We are not able to ship ammo, firearms, or components to the state of NJ."

 

Well here is a big F U cabelas!

 

Ridiculous.

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I got to the part where you have to enter your credit card with no issue for 9mm ammo.

 

I would say try sportsmanguide. And dont scream at Cabelas without screaming at our state. I have relatives from italy over and they think NJ is full of communists.

I have relatives from italy over and they think NJ is full of communists.

 

Now THAT'S funny!

Magtech

 

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wait so now I have to add Cabela's to my list of places that I will not purchase from?

 

first midway won't ship ammo to NJ because they say 9mm is pistol ammo. My camp carbine chambered in 9mm is clearly not a pistol. Now cabela's won't sell primers? Has anyone tried to order ammo from Cabela's?

What's wrong with Midways? I have bought a lot of stuff from them in the past.

Midway will not ship 9mm ammo to NJ. Multiple emails from me to the president of Midway have gone unanswered for months. Perhaps Today I will call Midway. I just had this chat with cabela's

 

Connie G: Hi, my name is Connie G. How may I help you?

Jeremy Behrens: I was wondering why I can not have small pistol primers shipped to my address in NJ

Connie G: Due to laws in your state

Jeremy Behrens: What laws

Connie G: You would have to check with local police department

Jeremy Behrens: NO! You tell me where you are reading this in NJ state law

Jeremy Behrens: Cabela's is just being lazy. There are no laws in the state of NJ prohibitting the purchase of primers

Connie G: You are welcome to contact our corporate office.

Connie G: 1-308-254-5505

Jeremy Behrens: you have been the complete opposite of helpful.

Connie G: I am sorry you feel that way

Connie G: Have a nice day!

 

Everyone who is made about this should call Cabela's corporate (1-308-254-5505) and midway corporate (573-447-5117 this is for the "office of the president")

In order for them to ship to NJ, they have to log every single purchase of pistol ammo. Its alot of overhead for companies, and that's why many just stopped shipping here. They don't want to keep a log book just for purchases from our state, and honestly i don't blame them.

 

Look at it from their perspective. Spend all the money to get an automated storefront. Have your warehouse guys get the printed order sheets and package the products to ship, and then have to have someone else fill out a log book only for NJ. It would get overlooked and then they'd be in legal trouble. Not worth the hassle. That's why they don't ship to states with those laws. You think it will be different if NJ requires all handguns to be microstamped? The manufacturers will just stop shipping to this state instead of buying all new machines to stamp the weapons specifically for this state.

 

Its a simple attack to logistics. They can pass the OGAM and other laws that they claim don't hurt the law abiding gun owners, but by passing legislation that disrupts they flow of ammo and firearms into the state directly, they hope to eventually eliminate firearms completely, while still holding on to the fact that they didn't directly infringe on our rights. They can claim its the manufacturer's and retailer's fault for not wanting to change their business to conform to our laws.

 

And you can see from this thread how its working. You're refusing to deal with a company because of the laws of this state. Transfer of anger, and the real enemies are the politicians, not the retailers.

But 9mm ammo is not handgun ammo if it can be used in a handgun or a rifle. Midway still will sell us 22LR. weird right?

 

EDIT: Also, if I buy online, why can I just not type in my FID number along with my purchase? Then they could have an electronic "logbook".

 

regardless of that, there is still the issue of selling primers to NJ residents.

I think NJ classifies primers as ammunition, just as it classifies lowers as a firearm, so the same restriction would apply.

 

22LR (long Rifle) was originally designed as rifle ammo, and is classified as such for all laws and regulations. Doesn't matter that pistols were designed later to use it.

 

9mm was originally designed as pistol ammo, and doesn't matter that carbines/rifles were designed to use it.

 

Just think of it as a bi-sexual woman. Just because it enjoys playing with other women, doesn't make it a man. You'd still call her a woman. 9mm by all intents and purposes is still handgun ammunition according to all laws.

wsl, where could I find out about primers being classified as ammunition?

 

Wouldn't this all fall under interstate commerce and not something the state could enforce? Like sales tax from stuff bought online?

Not sure exactly where to find out about the primers. It would have to be in the firearms section, and i'm at work, so don't have time to look it up. And interstate commerce comes second when it comes to specific restrictions and regulations.

When'd this happen? I have had Cabelas shipping me stuff for awhile, but there are long backorders. I think I still have some BO now.

 

Hmm, will have to look. If its true, then I will make a point of calling the Christie campaign & get their pos on it, and make mine known to them.

In order for them to ship to NJ, they have to log every single purchase of pistol ammo. They don't want to keep a log book just for purchases from our state, and honestly i don't blame them.

 

Look at it from their perspective. Spend all the money to get an automated storefront. Have your warehouse guys get the printed order sheets and package the products to ship, and then have to have someone else fill out a log book only for NJ.

 

WSL - are you insinuating that MidwayUSA, or Cabela's does NOT keep customer information? What they've bought and where they've bought it and how much? What do you think that A&P tag, Dicks tag, etc tag on your keys are for??

 

The companies already have this information. It's five more lines of code by a smelly fat guy who prefers to sit in his air conditioned basement getting a flourescent bulb tan drinking mountain dew, avoiding showers and playing virtual reality internet games rather than facing real people to rewrite the point of sale code to include making an NJ specific log which could be completely computer generated. (Sorry if I offended any computer programmers, well, not really)

as a computer geek I take offense to that!

 

I think the problem is not the code but the fact that you need a NJ FID card to buy handgun ammo. But if I give them my FID number shouldn't that suffice?

Regardless if the information is stored in databases, they have to manually enter it into a logbook. I'm not saying they don't already collect the info, but it seems like most don't seem to want to have to deal with the laws and BS of this state, so its just easier to say they don't ship certain things here. You can still go to their store and buy it. Probably the same reason why you can't buy ammo at Walmart in NJ. Extra work for minumum wage is going to equal mistakes, which would end up being expensive for their bottom line.

...Probably the same reason why you can't buy ammo at Walmart in NJ....

 

I thought that was because the state police are on a mission to illegally put every FFL out of business?

Regardless if the information is stored in databases, they have to manually enter it into a logbook.

 

I don't believe that the law calls for a 'hand written' log book per se.

exactly

Just think of it as a bi-sexual woman. Just because it enjoys playing with other women, doesn't make it a man. You'd still call her a woman. 9mm by all intents and purposes is still handgun ammunition according to all laws.

 

 

one could have a good argument over this one..

as a computer geek I take offense to that!

 

I think the problem is not the code but the fact that you need a NJ FID card to buy handgun ammo. But if I give them my FID number shouldn't that suffice?

 

you do not need a fid card, id is all you need to prove age, my wife buys ammo for me once in a while and has to give them her dL.

Here's a quote i found from someone last year with the same issue from midway and the response they got.

 

I apologize that we are unable to ship 45 ACP or other handgun ammo to New Jersey. We are able to send the majority of our products to all 50 states, and we are constantly reviewing these restrictions since it is in our customers' best interest to be able to receive our full line of products. We have not yet been able to establish a means of maintaining and reporting ID information that will satisfy the State of New Jersey. We are also aware that there are many rifles chambered for handgun rounds, but there is no way we can verify which you are using.

 

So they could figure out a way to store everyone's FID's and have a way setup to report it back to NJ incase they need the records, but is it worth the hassle to them?

 

And here's the exemption section from the NJ laws...

 

(2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, nor shall subsection f. (1) be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing such ammunition at its licensed premises, provided that the seller of any such ammunition shall maintain a record of the name, age and place of residence of any purchaser who is not a licensed dealer, together with the date of sale and quantity of ammunition sold.

 

Being that Midway and Cabela's have close ties to the NRA and the NRA believes that any record keeping on ammunition is just as bad as having to register your firearms, could it be that by refusing to ship to NJ, they're sticking to their beliefs?

 

NJ laws are retardedly written, so it could just be that some don't want to take a chance and get the $10,000 fine for a mistake in interpretation.

I just contacted the NRA about this:

 

I wanted to know if the NRA can help with an issue that came to light today. Cabela's, the outdoor retail chain, will no longer be selling primers to people who want the primers shipped to a New Jersey address. I called the corporate offices to verify that this was not a technical issue with the Cabela's website and I received a call back stating that "while Cabela's COULD ship primers to NJ we choose not to due to the legal ramifications." There is currently no law in NJ that makes shipping primers illegal. Can the NRA do anything to help?

 

here is there response

 

Dear Mr. Behrens,

 

Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA. As a private business they can choose to ship supplies where they wish, so there isn't much we can do to influence their decision. It appears the cause of this is NJ's strict laws, so I would recommend that you contact your representatives regarding this matter.

 

Best Regards,

Miranda Bond

NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

 

Here is my response to that

 

Miranda,

 

Thank you for getting back to me. There are no laws that I am aware of currently on the books in NJ making the sale or shipment of primers to be illegal. While I understand that cabela's is a private business (technically a publicly held company. I own their stock), I thought maybe other NRA members want to know about Cabela's discriminating practices. Perhaps the NRA can make mention of this anti gun owner practice in their next news alert? Then other NRA members could choose whether or not to continue to do business with Cabela's

 

Being a gun owner in NJ is hard. I really feel that the NRA is not doing very much to help me protect my rights. Why is that?

Here's a quote i found from someone last year with the same issue from midway and the response they got.

 

I apologize that we are unable to ship 45 ACP or other handgun ammo to New Jersey. We are able to send the majority of our products to all 50 states, and we are constantly reviewing these restrictions since it is in our customers' best interest to be able to receive our full line of products. We have not yet been able to establish a means of maintaining and reporting ID information that will satisfy the State of New Jersey. We are also aware that there are many rifles chambered for handgun rounds, but there is no way we can verify which you are using.

 

So they could figure out a way to store everyone's FID's and have a way setup to report it back to NJ incase they need the records, but is it worth the hassle to them?

 

And here's the exemption section from the NJ laws...

 

(2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, nor shall subsection f. (1) be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing such ammunition at its licensed premises, provided that the seller of any such ammunition shall maintain a record of the name, age and place of residence of any purchaser who is not a licensed dealer, together with the date of sale and quantity of ammunition sold.

 

Being that Midway and Cabela's have close ties to the NRA and the NRA believes that any record keeping on ammunition is just as bad as having to register your firearms, could it be that by refusing to ship to NJ, they're sticking to their beliefs?

 

NJ laws are retardedly written, so it could just be that some don't want to take a chance and get the $10,000 fine for a mistake in interpretation.

 

So the law doesn't say anything about FID#.. so Midway and Cabela's is saying they don't keep records of their customer's and what they bought?

LOL so I just logged onto customer svs chat again at Cabelas. I asked if people could have primers shipped to their store and picked up there.

 

She said they are hazmat and cannot. I asked what about the hundreds of pounds of ammo, primers, etc etc. already at the store. They then told me to have a good nite.

Actually Jeff from Cabela's who called me back said that my only option was the do the instore pickup at the hamburg store.

here is the important part of my voicemail from Jeff Berry. I post this over in the reloading forumn of glocktalk as well.

 

I received a call back and voice mail from Jeff Berry, the Purchasing specialist for Reloading supplies.

 

This is what his voicemail said verbatim:

 

As a company we choose not to ship primers into the state of New Jersey just because of all the restrictions. Technically we could do it but there are issues that could cause us problems downstream. If you have any further questions please feel free to call me a 308-255-1677.

 

Does anyone want to give Jeff a call? That might be his direct number.

 

Edit: also if anyone is a glocktalk member look for my thread. It is awaiting approval from a moderator. I called it "ATTN: all reloaders who buy primers online!"

 

The companies already have this information. It's five more lines of code by a smelly fat guy who prefers to sit in his air conditioned basement getting a flourescent bulb tan drinking mountain dew, avoiding showers and playing virtual reality internet games rather than facing real people to rewrite the point of sale code to include making an NJ specific log which could be completely computer generated. (Sorry if I offended any computer programmers, well, not really)

 

Watch it, some of us are armed.

I qualified it:

 

...rather than facing real people...

 

And for God's sake if you feel you fit that description, you've got more problems with self esteem than I can help you with. You certainly didn't fit that description - BUT, I know you know programmers who do

I qualified it:

 

...rather than facing real people...

 

And for God's sake if you feel you fit that description, you've got more problems with self esteem than I can help you with. You certainly didn't fit that description - BUT, I know you know programmers who do

 

Heh, no I don't really fit that description. I have met a few guys like that though. Most programmers, good ones, like me , actually enjoy improving capabilities. It's a challenge.