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I'm getting beat up pretty bad. I guess I should have expected it. NJ gets a bad wrap no matter what the topic is.

I hate to enter this kind of conversations.....

 

 

But I tend to agree with the other side....

 

Cabala's is not the bad guy..... they are chosing to make a business decision based on what it would take to properly sell those products to NJ..... based on laws or future laws in our screwed up state....

Like I said in the other thread, Its not Cabela's fault. They choose not to ship to NJ, because the laws are easily misinterpreted and they haven't found a way to properly conform to what NJ wants. If you were a small store that only had a handful of transactions, you could easily go thru and keep the log of info that NJ wants. If you're dealing with thousands a day, it becomes more of a hassle.

 

Cabela's is a big franchise with alot of customers. Did you ever think that the companies that ship to NJ, either have enough employees to handle the workload for NJ ammo, or they're just not that busy?

 

NJ is basically trying to put NJ retailers out of business with the OGAM law, and you honestly think they don't want to limit what comes in from other states?

 

Its not Cabela's fault. You can still drive to Cabela's and buy what you need. They just won't ship it here, and they're not the only ones.

Its not Cabela's fault. They choose not to ship to NJ

 

if they choose not to ship to NJ then isn't it their fault? No one is forcing them to stop shipments. (yet)

 

I would have thought that others in NJ might feel the same way I do about this. It's just me being weird then I guess.

 

I am angry at the state as well and I am doing other things to try and change things from that angle. Moving to another state is not an option.

 

It does not take any extra effort on the part of Cabela's to ship primers to NJ. There is no extra paperwork and no extra laws in place to stop them. This is the point that I think people are missing.

Use your vote to change the administration.

Just consider it an easy Boycott to maintain.

Sorry hate to say it but you won't get any support from me on the issue. We can't change company policy, we're not majority share holders. There's technically at least 40+ other states they can make their money off of. The problem isn't our retailers, its our state. But more importantly its the fact most of NJ (many gun owners included) are "sheeple" and are more willing to just sit there and b*tch & moan instead of actively doing something about it which is probably why the NRA has all but abandoned us. We're literally expecting a miracle that NJ citizens will smarten up and stand up for themselves when the reality is we're expecting some politician to do it for us which just gives us people like Corzine.

ronoverdrive you are wrong. Jeff at Cabela's told me that they would reconsider the policy if enough people contacted them. Who is the Sheeple now? don't assume that you can not change the system.

I have chosen not to do business with Cheaper than Dirt and Century Arms due to their policies. I do not do business with Cabelas based on their prices. Maybe if I reloaded and that was my only source of primers, it might be different. I posted on GlockTalk. Hope it helps.

ronoverdrive you are wrong. Jeff at Cabela's told me that they would reconsider the policy if enough people contacted them. Who is the Sheeple now? don't assume that you can not change the system.

 

That doesn't solve the problem, only band aids it. There's usually legal reasons why a company would do what Cabela's did and if they get millions of calls about it yes they will reconsider it, but there's no guarantee the legal department won't refute it themselves. Ultimately you got to step back and see the bigger picture to see the source of the issue. Its not Cabela's or any other retailers, its the Anti-Gun activists that currently run this state.

ronoverdrive you are wrong. Jeff at Cabela's told me that they would reconsider the policy if enough people contacted them. Who is the Sheeple now? don't assume that you can not change the system.

 

That doesn't solve the problem, only band aids it. There's usually legal reasons why a company would do what Cabela's did and if they get millions of calls about it yes they will reconsider it, but there's no guarantee the legal department won't refute it themselves. Ultimately you got to step back and see the bigger picture to see the source of the issue. Its not Cabela's or any other retailers, its the Anti-Gun activists that currently run this state.

Wrong. It is the retailer's attorneys who can't interpret NJ laws that is f****d up. What law has been changed to disallow shipments of primers? Why won't retailers ship ammo? The gun industry is shooting itself in the foot.

ronoverdrive you are wrong. Jeff at Cabela's told me that they would reconsider the policy if enough people contacted them. Who is the Sheeple now? don't assume that you can not change the system.

 

That doesn't solve the problem, only band aids it. There's usually legal reasons why a company would do what Cabela's did and if they get millions of calls about it yes they will reconsider it, but there's no guarantee the legal department won't refute it themselves. Ultimately you got to step back and see the bigger picture to see the source of the issue. Its not Cabela's or any other retailers, its the Anti-Gun activists that currently run this state.

Wrong. It is the retailer's attorneys who can't interpret NJ laws that is f****d up. What law has been changed to disallow shipments of primers? Why won't retailers ship ammo? The gun industry is shooting itself in the foot.

 

NJ isn't a gun owner friendly state and the politicians here *cough*corzine*cough* are putting out stricter and stricter obscure gun laws. They're purposely made obscure to f*ck over gun owners in every which way. Just for being interested in owning a gun you're practically treated as a criminal by the state and even quite a few of the citizens.

 

Do you honestly think with the reputation NJ has (which is getting worse) these retailers feel safe shipping gun related products to NJ? Fix our state's anti-gun mentality and all the retailers will feel NJ is safe enough to do business with. The correct route is never the easiest.

Paul,

 

I saw that on Glocktalk. Thanks for the support.

I like the jerkwad who said Hollow points were illegal cuz he heard it from a friend. He then snips code from the statutes, and when you point him out as wrong he insists he's right and leaves the thread. LOL. Tool.

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Sorry man tried to help you out. I was just gonna right to take your business elsewhere, it's the best way to go about that type of shit... and recommend to others to take their business elsewhere also.

well I give up. I thought I might have some support from the members of the glocktalk reloading forum (at least from the NJGF forum members) but I was really wrong. I hope that reloading or even owning ammo will soon be illegal or too expensive and then we can own all the guns we want with no access to ammo.

 

States like NJ and CA are warning lights in the 2nd amendment struggle. Sure it may be OK to give up on a few states but that is a slippery slope. How many states are OK to give up on? Frankly I am really surprised that so many gun owners from other states would turn their backs on another gun owner.

 

Moral of the story: keep reloading in the basement, keep your mouth shut and buy primers and ammo from anyone that is willing to do business with you.

Don't get discouraged. I'm almost always going to play devil's advocate to really make someone think about why they get upset about something, so don't take it personally.

 

NJ has laws concerning selling ammunition. Which part of reloading supplies would be considered ammunition since each part put together form ammunition. Reading thru your earlier posts, I remembered what I quoted from another person on another board with the same issues.

 

We have not yet been able to establish a means of maintaining and reporting ID information that will satisfy the State of New Jersey.

 

If NJ is giving them the run around, is it worth the risk of legal issues? Alot of the state police don't know what the laws mean, so imagine if they call and get a different answer everytime they try to clarify something.

 

They don't need to store your info if you walk into their store in PA, but if they ship, they do have to store it. Some stores do ship to NJ, but either they got straight answers right away, or they're doing it illegally. Some FFL's sell illegal firearms yet aren't in trouble *yet* because the laws are written so screwed up, the officials probably can't know what's legal and not half the time.

Which part of reloading supplies would be considered ammunition

 

Simply look at MA. No vendor will ship anything into that state. You cannot get a bullet, case, primer or any other component shipped in. In fact, no vendor will ship anything in for the most part because it isn't worth the effort to try and sort what is allowed and was isn't. It isn't a legal issue. It is a software issue. The write a shipping program that knows what's allowed and what isn't overwhelms any potential profits from those sales so they just don't ship..period. Legal restrictions have nothing to do with the refusals.

Seems the NRA is backing us and virginia in this upcoming election, I just recieved some mail from the NRA-PVF mentioning jersey and virginia. They want money to support the campaign, so i'll probably send some when I get the chance..