just picked this up and know little about them I can tell you its all matching even grips but not the mag and low number

 

 

It appears to be a 1916 Erfurt luger. Go here for more info - and your pictures aren't very clear. You've got some Wehrmacht stamps...

 

http://www.lugerforum.com/

it apears to be in good shape, nice piece..

Some of the straw color appears to be left. This apparently is a good thing as per that site I sent you to.

One of BA employees is an expert but that is probably to far a drive for you.

How much did that run you?

 

I stumbled on an artillery barrel...

i posted it on the luger site before i posted it here so far no input

the guy i got it from is a dealer and we did some bartering he needed some work done at his house i had to kick in some cash it worked out for me

There's a guy at the Bayonne Gun range that is a Luger "nut". He's got books on those things and he can tell you a lot about it from the numbers on the gun. He can even give you an estimated value. His name is Frank, and he's one of the RO there.

PM edward tinker on gunboards. He is only in harleysville pa and is actually an author on lugers. Also he is a really nice guy that knows his stuff.

thanks

It appears to be a common WWI model mfg. by Erfurt. Many thousands were made during the war by both Erfurt and DWM.

luger not made by DWM. made on Erfurt as shown on top of toggel. WW1 german luger holsters were originally brown. only later changed to black.........inside holster should show makers name/date..............

name is hard to read on the holster

 

Carl Lottmann ARNSTALT

and the date is realy tuff to read 1918

Nice pistol! I always wanted to get a broomhandle mauser...someday.

you almost have a complete 'rig'. Rig being pistol, holster, spare mag and loading tool.....................

your almost have a complete 'rig'. Rig being pistol, holster, spare mag and loading tool.....................

 

Got all that now looking for the butt stock 8-)

sometimes the luger stock boards are found on EBay.............

original stock boards cost a mint...............

stocks for lugers are illegal unless used on original artillery or navy model by both state + federal law -

Yup you just stepped into sbr territory would need to get the $200.00 tax stamp which would never be issued to a NJ resident.

from

http://www.lugerforum.com/

 

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

BUREAU OF ALCOCH0L T0BACCO AND FIREARMS

WASHINGTON, D.C. 20226

 

MAY 29 1981

 

 

 

Dear ,

 

This refers to your letters of March 13 and March 30, 1981, in which you ask that certain Luger and Browning Hi-Power pistols equipped with reproduction shoulder stocks be considered for removal from the provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA).

 

It is not the policy of this Bureau to render a classification on a Shoulder stock which in and of itself is not subject to the provisions of The Gun Control Act or the NFA. However, as you are aware, certain Luger and Browning Hi-Power pistols when accompanied by original shoulder stocks have been removed from the purview of the NFA.

 

Our Firearms Classification Panel has examined your request and is their opinion that the above mentioned pistols equipped with currently made reproduction shoulder stocks which either duplicate or closely approximate the dimensions and configuration of the original stocks would also be primarily of interest to collectors and not likely be used as weapons. Therefore, any Luger or Browning Hi-Power pistol which would be removed from the purview of the NFA if equipped with an original shoulder stock, would also not be subject to the NFA is equipped with a reproduction shoulder stock which either duplicates or closely approximates the dimensions and configuration of the original stock.

 

It must be pointed out that should one of the subject reproduction stocks be attached to any handgun which has not been specifically removed from the purview of the NFA with an original stock, the combination would be subject to all of the registration and transfer provisions of the NFA.

 

We trust that the foregoing has responsive to your inquiry. If we can be of any further assistance, please contact us.

 

Sincerely yours,

[signature]

Assistant Directory

(Technical and Scientific Services)

also this

 

These guns are exempted under section III on the BATF link...

 

Section III Guns

Luger, Artillery model, pistols having chamber dates of 1914 through 1918

or 1920, having German Weimar Navy markings consisting of the letter M

over an anchor and a German Navy property number accompanied by original

Artillery Luger flat board stocks, bearing German Weimar Navy markings

of the letter M over an anchor with or without Navy property numbers.

 

Luger, the 1920 Commercial Artillery model, pistols as mfd. by DWM or

Erfurt, having undated chambers, commercial proofmarks, and bearing the

inscription Germany or Made in Germany on the receiver and accompanied

by original, German mfd., artillery type, detachable wooden shoulder stocks.

 

Luger, DWM Pistol, model 1900, 1902, or 1906, in 7.65 Luger or 9mm parabellum

cal., having the American Eagle chamber crest, and barrel lengths of either

4" or 4-3/4, with original detachable Ideal shoulder stocks and Ideal

frame grips.

 

DWM Luger, Original models 1904, 1906, 1908, 1914 and 1920. Naval pistols

in 9mm parabellum or 7.65mm cal., in both the Commercial and Naval military

varieties; in both altered and unaltered barrel lengths in themodel 1904

and in both altered and unaltered safety markings in the model 1906; with

original board-type detachable shoulder stocks bearing brass or iron discs,

with or without markings, or, if without brass or iron discs, being of

the Navy flat board-type. This exemption applies only to the listed Naval

Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if

theNaval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock

has an overall dimension of 12-3/4", a rear width of 4-5/8",

a front width of 1-1/2", a rear thickness of 9/16", and a front

thickness of l-3/16".

 

Luger, DWM Stoeger model 1920 and 1923, semiautomatic pistols in 7.65mm

or 9mm parabellum cal., in barrel lengths of 8, 10, 12, and 12-1/2",

having either American Eagle chamber crests and/or Stoeger frame and/or

upper receiver marks, having either standard, Navy or artillery rear sights,

having extractors marked either "Loaded" or "Geladen"

and having frame safety markings of either "Gesichert" or "Safe,"

together w/original commercial flat board stocks of the artillery type,

which bear no S/Ns or military proof marks;may include a "Germany"

marking.

 

Luger, DWM Pistol-Carbine, model 1920, 7.65mm or 9mm parabellum cal.,

with accompanying original commercial type shoulder stock, with or without

forearm piece, having barrel lengths of 11-3/4" to less than 16".

 

Luger, German model 1914, Artillery model pistol, mfd. by DWM or Erfurt,

having chambers dated 1914 - -1918, bearing Imperial German military proofmarks

& accompanied by original, German mfd., artillery type, detachable

wooden shoulder stocks.

 

Luger, model 1902, Pistol-Carbine, 7.65mm Luger with original commercial

type shoulder stock and forearm and 11-3/4" barrel.

 

Luger, Persian (Iranian) Artillery model, pistols, as mfd. by Mauser prior

to 1945, accompanied by the original artillery type, detachable wooden

shoulder stock, bearing a S/N in Farsi characters stamped into the wood

on the left side.

 

Luger, semiautomatic pistol, certain variations with Benke-Thiemann folding

shoulder stock.

 

Mauser, commercial Luger Artillery model semiautomatic pistols cal. 9mm,

Mauser banner marked, produced under contract for the Royal Thai Police

accompanied by original, German mfd., detachable wooden shoulder stocks.

 

Section III-A Guns

Borchardt, model 1893, cal. 7.63mm pistol with accompanying shoulder stock.

 

Section IV Guns

Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic pistol, 75 Jahre,

Parabellum-Pistol, Mod. Karabiner, Commemorative, caliber 9mm, accompanied

by a carbine type shoulder stock.

your luger is not covered under the exemptions - it would have to be an original artillery or naval model - bottom line is that only guns originally issued w/a shoulder stock are legal -

Not that I can afford the stock!!

The pistol has the stock mount and should fall in this category

 

Luger, German model 1914, Artillery model pistol, mfd. by DWM or Erfurt,

having chambers dated 1914 - -1918, bearing Imperial German military proofmarks

& accompanied by original, German mfd., artillery type, detachable

wooden shoulder stocks.

most all P08 models have stock mounts - only the artillery + naval models were issued with stocks - the 4" models only had the stock mounts to make frame manufacturing simple so they would not have to produce two different frames with two separate sets of forges + machines - all the ones listed in atf bulletin came with barrels longer than 6" -

you are right

 

thanks

:oops:

most all P08 models have stock mounts - only the artillery + naval models were issued with stocks - the 4" models only had the stock mounts to make frame manufacturing simple so they would not have to produce two different frames with two separate sets of forges + machines - all the ones listed in atf bulletin came with barrels longer than 6" -

 

 

Well I guess you really know your lugers....

There is also an exemption somewhere in the ATF stuff for Broomhandle mausers and Polish Radom pistols having a buttstock. But doesnt state law superceed the fed law on this?

state law can be stricter than federal law but it can not conflict with it - any broomhandle or bolo mauser is legal by federal law with new or reproduction stocks - existance of original radom stocks is doubtfull , one collector has an outstanding offer of $ 1,000,000.00 if anyone sells him a bonifide original - only the first years production had the stock slot -