illegal?

 

 

is it illegal to do that to a storm in NJ?

Is the barrel threaded?

 

If it is, should be OK if you could get that fake can to be permanently attached..

Is the barrel threaded?

 

If it is, should be OK if you could get that fake can to be permanently attached..

 

 

no no not that.. JUST the stock part... it comes with like a small section of stock that goes from teh PG to the stock.. these people just cut it away..

Should be good to go.. the pistol grip is only 1 evil feature. You would have to add a second to make the gun illegal.

It is not even on "The List". Do anything you want to it.

Is that an import gun or is it produces domestically? If it's an import the legality is debatable. Years ago we had a major st!tfight on HKPRO about the SL8 stock modification (basically the same as that Storm) and 922r compliance.

I'd buy one and evil feature the piss out of it if it shot .223/5.56.

I'd buy one and evil feature the piss out of it if it shot .223/5.56.

 

thats the Benelli R1, basically a Storm that shoots .223

I'd buy one and evil feature the piss out of it if it shot .223/5.56.

 

thats the Benelli R1, basically a Storm that shoots .223

So since it's not on the list we can make it as evil as we want?

My opinion is that it is legal since there is only an pistol grip and no flash supressor, bayonet lug, grenade launcher or folding/telescoping stock. However, this is New Jersey and you have to prove it is legal. You may wind up with a $12,700 subcarbine. $700 for the gun and $12,000 for the lawyer.

 

This is State law. I have no idea regarding Federal laws.

 

My advice is not to do it as this is just a "make it cooler" mod that has little or no improvement in function.

My opinion is that it is legal since there is only an pistol grip and no flash supressor, bayonet lug, grenade launcher or folding/telescoping stock. However, this is New Jersey and you have to prove it is legal. You may wind up with a $12,700 subcarbine. $700 for the gun and $12,000 for the lawyer.

 

This is State law. I have no idea regarding Federal laws.

 

My advice is not to do it as this is just a "make it cooler" mod that has little or no improvement in function.

 

Why be scared of a mythical lawsuit? If he has only one evil feature, it is not even close to the grey area.

 

Why be scared of a mythical lawsuit? If he has only one evil feature, it is not even close to the grey area.

 

 

Because the arena has changed. 922r is federal. The reason those stupid looking longarms look so stupid. Is to get them here in the first place. Do you think HK and Beretta would design those firearms the way they did without the US in mind? All foreign import designs had to meet the "Sporter Rifle" description.

I kinda like the stock stock.

 

Why be scared of a mythical lawsuit? If he has only one evil feature, it is not even close to the grey area.

 

 

Because the arena has changed. 922r is federal. The reason those stupid looking longarms look so stupid. Is to get them here in the first place. Do you think HK and Beretta would design those firearms the way they did without the US in mind? All foreign import designs had to meet the "Sporter Rifle" description.

 

Ok, well we are all in agreement that this would have nothing to do with NJ state laws then.

 

But.. how would removing that little piece of plastic take it out of the sporter rifle category?.. what does "sporter rifle" category even mean?

 

But.. how would removing that little piece of plastic take it out of the sporter rifle category?.. what does "sporter rifle" category even mean?

 

 

That is the magic question. A imported sporter rifle (SR) must not have a pistol grip. Hence all the a$$hole stocks-USR, USC, SL8, SR9, and Storm to name a few.

 

Look up 922r for the SR description.

 

But.. how would removing that little piece of plastic take it out of the sporter rifle category?.. what does "sporter rifle" category even mean?

 

 

That is the magic question. A imported sporter rifle (SR) must not have a pistol grip. Hence all the a$$hole stocks-USR, USC, SL8, SR9, and Storm to name a few.

 

Look up 922r for the SR description.

 

Humm.. are there enough US parts available to play the 10 parts game?

 

Humm.. are there enough US parts available to play the 10 parts game?

 

 

That's what guys were doing with the SL8 to G36 conversions. But what about guys that just wanted to get rid of the a$$hole? The way I read it, it's a import loop hole. There's nothing stating what's done once it's here. Technically you're not assembling a firearm. You're just changing the stock. The PRO was divided 50/50 on this.

 

Humm.. are there enough US parts available to play the 10 parts game?

 

 

That's what guys were doing with the SL8 to G36 conversions. But what about guys that just wanted to get rid of the a$$hole? The way I read it, it's a import loop hole. There's nothing stating what's done once it's here. Technically you're not assembling a firearm. You're just changing the stock. The PRO was divided 50/50 on this.

 

"Pro" ?

 

Yeah.. that's true.. I could go and sand down my SKS or my AK, or cut a hold in the stock.. it's still the same piece of wood.

 

Humm.. are there enough US parts available to play the 10 parts game?

 

 

That's what guys were doing with the SL8 to G36 conversions. But what about guys that just wanted to get rid of the a$$hole? The way I read it, it's a import loop hole. There's nothing stating what's done once it's here. Technically you're not assembling a firearm. You're just changing the stock. The PRO was divided 50/50 on this.

 

"Pro" ?

 

Yeah.. that's true.. I could go and sand down my SKS or my AK, or cut a hold in the stock.. it's still the same piece of wood.

 

HKPRO.com

I don't know if it's true or not. I'm just a optimistic moron. Don't take my word for it.

You can get yourself 2 USA parts on the Storm by buying a metal trigger and hammer (to replace the stock plastic ones) from this guy:

 

http://www.sierrapapacx4.com/

I thought the SL* had a different lowere so you couldnt change the stock.

I thought the SL* had a different lowere so you couldnt change the stock.

 

In the example that I'm trying to illustrate. I mean modify not replace. Much like the photo the OP has posted.

 

And back in the day Topnotch made a lower/folding stock for the G36 wannabes.

I thought the SL* had a different lowere so you couldnt change the stock.

 

In the example that I'm trying to illustrate. I mean modify not replace. Much like the photo the OP has posted.

 

And back in the day Topnotch made a lower/folding stock for the G36 wannabes.

 

Now you gave me something to look for. I am still waiting for my MP5 .45 knock off.

 

Humm.. are there enough US parts available to play the 10 parts game?

 

 

That's what guys were doing with the SL8 to G36 conversions. But what about guys that just wanted to get rid of the a$$hole? The way I read it, it's a import loop hole. There's nothing stating what's done once it's here. Technically you're not assembling a firearm. You're just changing the stock. The PRO was divided 50/50 on this.

 

 

That was MY take on it..but WTH do I know LOL

 

That was MY take on it..but WTH do I know LOL

 

 

Curious, the numbers game or screw it and do it?

 

"Not in the burg" Things sure have changed over there.

I'd buy one and evil feature the piss out of it if it shot .223/5.56.

 

thats the Benelli R1, basically a Storm that shoots .223

 

Thanks a lot. I just joined and your gonna cost me $1200+ for that sweet Benelli.

It is not even on "The List". Do anything you want to it.

 

So an RFB with a pistol grip and a flash hider is legal in NJ? That's great news. Now I just have to find one for a reasonable price.

 

That was MY take on it..but WTH do I know LOL

 

 

Curious, the numbers game or screw it and do it?

 

"Not in the burg" Things sure have changed over there.

 

AFAIK there's no need to bother with the number game since it's already legally imported. The Burg has it's ups and downs like everywhere else..i WILL say that im glad i moved from where I was enting to where I bought...MUCH better area, but still the Burg'. Now that the summer is over, and the park is closed, the tourists will be gone and things will settle down a bit.