WOW.. it was raining out so i didnt really feel like shooting too much.. but this is probably one of my most pleasing purchases.. i was shooting one of those standard cardboard backers with the Q in the center.. and after making 2 test shots i followed it with 3 almost on top of one another hits directly on the Q at 50yrds... i will be spending a lot more time playing with this thing.. but am VERY happy with it..

WOW.. it was raining out so i didnt really feel like shooting too much.. but this is probably one of my most pleasing purchase.. i was shooting one of those standard cardboard backers with the Q in the center.. and having after making 2 test shots i followed it with 3 almost on top of one another hits directly on the Q... i will be spending a lot more time playing with this thing.. but am VERY happy with it..

 

they are awesome aint they

 

How far away was the target?

WOW.. it was raining out so i didnt really feel like shooting too much.. but this is probably one of my most pleasing purchase.. i was shooting one of those standard cardboard backers with the Q in the center.. and having after making 2 test shots i followed it with 3 almost on top of one another hits directly on the Q... i will be spending a lot more time playing with this thing.. but am VERY happy with it..

 

they are awesome aint they

 

How far away was the target?

 

 

50 yrds LOVE it

100 yards is pushing it for mine, in 9mm. inside of that and bowling pins fall with ease.

I'm going to have to take my Storm in 45ACP to an outdoor range to find out its real capabilities. All I know for sure is that it's a tack driver with my handloaded 230 grain cast at 30 yards. I bet the heavy 45ACP has a nice arcing trajectory considering how slowly it travels. I have some DoubleTap +P ammo in 180grain and 200 grain. I guess they'll be better for distance.

At the Wounded Warriors event at Central Jersey this year, one of the members had a 9MM Storm and was clipping branches out at 200+, it was prety impressive

Red Bank PD carries these carbines as back up, do not ask me why but that's what they got when

they asked for AR-15 or up to date tactical shot guns. They are very accurate as tiny stated at 150 yards + but do not have any real kind os stopping power to warrant a Police Dpt. to be carrying it. It's a plinker for goodness sakes.

Red Bank PD carries these carbines as back up, do not ask me why but that's what they got when

they asked for AR-15 or up to date tactical shot guns. They are very accurate as tiny stated at 150 yards + but do not have any real kind os stopping power to warrant a Police Dpt. to be carrying it. It's a plinker for goodness sakes.

 

 

That probably goes for any carbine chambered in a pistol caliber. I know that some Jersey Departments carried the Ruger PC-9 in their trunk as a backup. I think it might have more to do with the fact that many police aren't "gun guys" that are great shots, and it's much easier to hit a target at any distance with a rifle. I can tell you that my PC-9 with the Ghost Ring sights makes me look like a much better shot than I really am..

They can only break it out in specific situations and they have no extra ammo for it.

So the 2 mags in their belt and the one in their 92 is all they have if they have a real firefight on their hands. The criminals are more heavily armed then the police. I can tell you that My brother in law would rather have the shot gun any day of the carbine when entering a home or a VFW with 40 drunk brawling illegals who rented it out for a Saturday night party.

Red Bank PD carries these carbines as back up, do not ask me why but that's what they got when

they asked for AR-15 or up to date tactical shot guns. They are very accurate as tiny stated at 150 yards + but do not have any real kind os stopping power to warrant a Police Dpt. to be carrying it. It's a plinker for goodness sakes.

 

 

That probably goes for any carbine chambered in a pistol caliber. I know that some Jersey Departments carried the Ruger PC-9 in their trunk as a backup. I think it might have more to do with the fact that many police aren't "gun guys" that are great shots, and it's much easier to hit a target at any distance with a rifle. I can tell you that my PC-9 with the Ghost Ring sights makes me look like a much better shot than I really am..

 

I love my PC-4 going to break that out Tuesday too!

I love my PC-4 going to break that out Tuesday too!

 

I'd bring my PC-9 Tuesday, but I sent the stock (which has the trigger group) out to Bill Springfield in Colorado Springs to work on that awful Ruger trigger. I'm looking forward to see what a difference it makes. I sent my P7 slide and Colt AR trigger group too. He did all three for $150. The guy gets really good reviews on ARF.com.

 

http://www.triggerwork.net/

I cant even wait til tomm, have to go today after work and shoot the P4 at central jersey!

They can only break it out in specific situations and they have no extra ammo for it.

So the 2 mags in their belt and the one in their 92 is all they have if they have a real firefight on their hands. The criminals are more heavily armed then the police. I can tell you that My brother in law would rather have the shot gun any day of the carbine when entering a home or a VFW with 40 drunk brawling illegals who rented it out for a Saturday night party.

 

Ya a shotgun would definitely get the point across faster in those situations lol

Unfortunately they usually just end up macing the whole area including themselves sometimes.

A 20g with less then lethal pellets would be way more fun....

Tiny,

 

I don't know if you get the infamous trigger sting in your Storm carbine. I thought it only happened in the Storm pistols, but found out that I get it in my 45 pretty good. It doesn't affect my accuracy, but it does get annoying quickly and reduces the fun of shooting. I did some searches on the good old Interweb and found the Sierra Papa company. They make a replacement metal trigger/hammer/spring for the Storm carbine. I have seen only positive reviews so far, although there aren't enough of them out there to make me really confident.

Last Friday I spoke with the president of the Sierra Papa. He seemed like a good straightforward guy, and we talked about his products. After that I figured I'd give it a try. All together it was $150 for parts and shipping. I won't get them in the mail until Wednesday or Thursday, so I should have the "new and improved" trigger version for next week. Maybe we can try them side-by-side to see if I got my money's worth.

 

http://sierrapapacx4.com/

http://sierrapapacx4.com/CX4_Assessment.htm

http://sierrapapacx4.com/CX4_TriggerGroup.htm

Tiny,

 

I don't know if you get the infamous trigger sting in your Storm carbine. I thought it only happened in the Storm pistols, but found out that I get it in my 45 pretty good. It doesn't affect my accuracy, but it does get annoying quickly and reduces the fun of shooting. I did some searches on the good old Interweb and found the Sierra Papa company. They make a replacement metal trigger/hammer/spring for the Storm carbine. I have seen only positive reviews so far, although there aren't enough of them out there to make me really confident.

Last Friday I spoke with the president of the Sierra Papa. He seemed like a good straightforward guy, and we talked about his products. After that I figured I'd give it a try. All together it was $150 for parts and shipping. I won't get them in the mail until Wednesday or Thursday, so I should have the "new and improved" trigger version for next week. Maybe we can try them side-by-side to see if I got my money's worth.

 

http://sierrapapacx4.com/

http://sierrapapacx4.com/CX4_Assessment.htm

http://sierrapapacx4.com/CX4_TriggerGroup.htm

 

that would be cool, Id like to see if it makes a difference or not

Got the sierra papa hammer, trigger, guide rod and HD buffer in my storm. Good guys!

Got the sierra papa hammer, trigger, guide rod and HD buffer in my storm. Good guys!

 

Olay, what is the home defense buffer? My Cx4 has almost no recoil, why reduce nothing to nothing?

Mine kicks so much it bruises my shoulder.

Mine kicks so much it bruises my shoulder.

 

Really? You gotta try the 9, feels like a 22.

Got the sierra papa hammer, trigger, guide rod and HD buffer in my storm. Good guys!

 

Olay, what is the home defense buffer? My Cx4 has almost no recoil, why reduce nothing to nothing?

 

HD = high durability, not home defense:

 

http://www.sierrapapacx4.com/CX4_HD_Buffer.htm

that would be cool, Id like to see if it makes a difference or not

 

My Sierra Papa trigger/hammer/spring combo came in the mail last night and I assembled them into the Storm Cx4. I also got my PC9 and AR triggers back, and assembled them too. I'll be hefting some rifles to BA tonight.

Red Bank PD carries these carbines as back up, do not ask me why but that's what they got when

they asked for AR-15 or up to date tactical shot guns. They are very accurate as tiny stated at 150 yards + but do not have any real kind os stopping power to warrant a Police Dpt. to be carrying it. It's a plinker for goodness sakes.

 

 

while i agree that there are better options.. stating the guns stopping power at 150 yards is kind of unimportant... lets face it.. if there was a situation to warrant shooting out that far i would think that neither this OR a shotgun would be the best choice.. and while sure an AR type rifle would be a FAR better choice as it offers MANY more options, i would THINK at least that the storm offers a decent punch out to 50 yards? and honestly i have not personally witnessed many police shootings but the handful i have seen are WELL within 50 yards... so given the fact that i would assume MOST police "shootouts" where a sharpshooter is NOT involved fall between contact and 25 yards.. a firearm that shares ammunition as most police departments.. is EXTREMELY accurate... is extremely light and easy to maneuver would not seem like a terrible idea.. I am also under the impression that the longer barrel (vs a handgun) will add some velocity to the round to give it some more punch..

 

at this point.. given the choice of my AR, AK, 12 gauge, etc.. i am fairly confident given the unlikely event of a home break in.. i would grab the storm.. not SUPER loud.. solid shot placement.. 10+ rounds... and so on..

 

while it is NOT a 308, 223, etc.. i dont think i would discount it..

My point is if the SHTF and you need to stop someone or something I want a AR not a 9mm pistol or carbine.

Just ask LAPD what happens when you do not have the right tool for the job. Do things like that happen every day

well no but when they do, the Police should be prepared. As far as breaching and room clearing they have to do it with

a pistol because there are no shot guns issues at all and they cannot use the storm unless the situation calls for it and if it

does it means they are already over powered. The storm is okay as far as I am concerned it's a plinker not a tactical Police

or LE weapon no matter how much after market crap you mount on them, not going to change my mind on that, I have handled several of them.

 

As far as I am concerned NJ LE is way behind the curve in Arming their Officers with the most up to date

and current weapons lethal and non lethal alike. It's because the lawyers and liberals run the cities and state.

My point is if the SHTF and you need to stop someone or something I want a AR not a 9mm pistol or carbine.

Just ask LAPD what happens when you do not have the right tool for the job. Do things like that happen every day

well no but when they do, the Police should be prepared. As far as breaching and room clearing they have to do it with

a pistol because there are no shot guns issues at all and they cannot use the storm unless the situation calls for it and if it

does it means they are already over powered. The storm is okay as far as I am concerned it's a plinker not a tactical Police

or LE weapon no matter how much after market crap you mount on them, not going to change my mind on that, I have handled several of them.

 

As far as I am concerned NJ LE is way behind the curve in Arming their Officers with the most up to date

and current weapons lethal and non lethal alike. It's because the lawyers and liberals run the cities and state.

 

 

while i like my ar.. if "shtf" i would grab the Saiga before id grab anything else..

Okay, SHTF. I'm grabbing whatever I can. I trust my handguns, my storm, 870 or AR. In that situation a GUN is gonna take care of business.

back on topic the trigger on his Storm is a lot better than a stock gun.

It was nice to compare the rifles side-by-side. I think the Sierra Papa trigger eliminates a lot of the pre-travel (there is an adjustment screw thay does this) and it feels less squishy (maybe because the SP trigger is metal and Beretta's is plastic). The SP kit didn't turn the Storm into a 1911 trigger (it's now more like a good tuned Glock trigger), but since I plan on keeping this rifle I think it was worth it.

Ray, I am with you. My Storm .40 has a great trigger and practically zero recoil. I had to do a trigger job on both my Rugers and my XD Tact but the Storm was good to go right out of the box. Go figure? I can't imagine anyone complaining about it. Actually, it is such a tack driver, sometimes it is just too easy to shoot. My son can single hole it all night long at 25 yards.

Ray, I am with you. My Storm .40 has a great trigger and practically zero recoil. I had to do a trigger job on both my Rugers and my XD Tact but the Storm was good to go right out of the box. Go figure? I can't imagine anyone complaining about it. Actually, it is such a tack driver, sometimes it is just too easy to shoot. My son can single hole it all night long at 25 yards.

 

My trigger is bad. But I'm used to it. The recoil is nonexistant and it's almost too easy to hit bowling pins at 50 yards.