as most people know N.J. gave retired police authority to carry concealed weapon after retirement. But, only up to age 70. I lost my carry permit in 2003 as I was going on 73. Don't know why State Police did not catch my age in 2000 (70). I checked with state police on private carry permits in N.J.

It seems there are a little over 1000 private carry permits in N.J. I asked at what age such permits expire. No age experation for private permits nor does state police keep a count on age for those people. Also, private carry permit people ONLY qualify ONCE a year. Now retired police must qualify TWICE a year and cease carrying at age (now) 75. So, perhaps the banker with a carry permit can carry up to age 90 or past as there is no age restriction for private carry permits but, for retired police, there is a cut off to carry at age 75. Isn't that justice ???? or is it just N.J. politics !!!!

Why bother with the NJ Retired. Qualify under the LEOSA. The main difference is that you will need the cooperation of your former agency to issue a valid departmental ID card stating that you qualify under the act. The NJ Permit is basically useless outside of NJ without the meeting the federal standards in any case.

 

What is even easier is that any certified firearm's instructor can not issue the qualification.

Why does a private caryy permit have to qualify once a year. Thats insane and somehting they will call reasonable when it is ludicrous.

Why does a private caryy permit have to qualify once a year. Thats insane and somehting they will call reasonable when it is ludicrous.

 

Showing that you are capable of safely carrying and operating a concealed handgun once a years is completely reasonable IMO.

 

Someone may initially qualify with a revolver, but a few years down the road buy a semiautomatic which they have little or no experience with (or vice-versa).

 

Or someone may get a serious hand/arm/shoulder/whatever injury and can no longer safely operate a very subcompact .45 ACP or .40 S&W -- maybe they cannot properly control the gun one-handed. But they think that they still can safely operate it, when in actuality they cannot and should switch to a smaller caliber that they can actually properly control.

 

Basically, many things can happen that could make someone who has previously qualified with a specific gun no longer be able to carry that gun safely, or may purchase a significantly different gun that they are not properly experienced with.

 

Annual qualification can show situations like these, so I think it is reasonable. Then again, I also believe that drivers should be regularly tested to retain their licenses too.

 

And if we are able to convince politicians to make New Jersey a 'shall-issue' CCW state as long as yearly qualification is a requirement, would you really mind? Many states require regular qualification to retain a CCW permit.

Why does a private caryy permit have to qualify once a year. Thats insane and somehting they will call reasonable when it is ludicrous.

 

MOST ccw states require CCW holders to qualify periodically with the gun they carry. Police Officers are required to Qual a minimum of twice a year, some agencies do it more often.

Ludicrous is calling NJ a shall-issue state. The qualifications are IMO a minor hurdle to exercise what should be a right.

JERSEY-EMT.........YOU MISSED THE POINT. civilian carry permit holders ONLY qualify ONCE a year whereas retired police are required to qualify TWICE a year. Firearms are part of a police officer's equipment. how many civilians with carry permits have had a weapon as part of their work equipment ?? Officers used/carried a firearms over 20/30 years ?? Why should police have to qualify twice a year when civilian permit holders only qualify once a year. Does that really make sense to you ??

And, the average police officer shoots many times during the year for practice... At least I did (and still do)

Why does a private caryy permit have to qualify once a year. Thats insane and somehting they will call reasonable when it is ludicrous.

 

MOST ccw states require CCW holders to qualify periodically with the gun they carry. Police Officers are required to Qual a minimum of twice a year, some agencies do it more often.

 

MOST? eh? Seeing as NJ is the only one I can think of off hand(not saying a FEW others don't require it) I was wondering if anyone knew for a fact which states make you qualify periodically. Remember I am from out west so my perspective is a little different I think about all the states around here that it is a cheap renewal fee every 5 years(give or take depending on the state).

 

either way looking at how unjust it is that retired cops have to qualify twice as often as civilians is looking at the thefts left hand as he picks your pocket with his right. You have to remember the only civilians that are getting permits are only getting hem because they know someone or they work for a company that makes them carry, in which the company usually makes them qualify as well before they are on the job.

 

Most everyday citizens that own guns shoot more rounds off in a month than most police or military do in a year. Of course I am basising this off of me and my trigger happy friends :mrgreen:

Does that really make sense to you ??

 

hahahaha since when does anything make sense in New Jersey???

Why bother with the NJ Retired. Qualify under the LEOSA. The main difference is that you will need the cooperation of your former agency to issue a valid departmental ID card stating that you qualify under the act. The NJ Permit is basically useless outside of NJ without the meeting the federal standards in any case.

 

 

LEOSA cards are not issued by the federal government; they are issued by whatever entity each state authorizes. For retired LEO's in NJ, the process is still the same as it was before; the only difference now is that Corzine made the process a little easier (probably to win the support of the police unions). Retired LEO's living in NJ who wish to get a card for LEOSA purposes still have to qualify semi-annually, under an instructor who meets the standards established by the attorney general.

 

To answer the question as to why a private citizen with a NJ carry permit must only qualify once a year, whereas a retired LEO must qualify twice a year, is because the laws were written at different times by different legislatures. Furthermore, I have a theory that the legislature wanted to discourage retired LEO's from carrying, by imposing restrictions: must apply within six months of retiring (repealed this year); maximum age of 70 (changed this year to 75); right lost permanently if not renewed for two years; and the whole thing was at the expense of the individual.

NH is investigating changing their requirements to include qualifying. Nothing set yet but being looked into by the state.

 

Compared to other states, NJ's firearms qualifications for LE is more difficult and more comprehensive. NH has a two page document to cover qualifications. NJ regulations is probably over a hundred.

NH has a two page document to cover qualifications. NJ regulations is probably over a hundred.

 

Of course - why use three words when three thousand will do.

 

Requirement in New Hampshire - Hit the target.

 

Requirement in NJ - you get the point...

DEWHITEWOLF.............the way N.J. retired police can carry is with an issued firarms i.d. card issued by State Police. A firearms qualification certificate and $50 gets a re-newal for carry permit by State Police. There is NO other way of obtaining a carry permit by retired police in N.J. I have an issued police identification card from my department. But, the carry permit comes from State Police. If over (now) 75 the permit will not be granted, so there is no

other way to gain a carry permit. I have a folder full of qualifying certs. that I acquired over the years I had a carry permit. The age factor restricts obtaining a carry permit for retired police. As I said, age factor is not considered for private carry permits. My question...why not ????

WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.........

As I said, age factor is not considered for private carry permits. My question...why not ????

WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.........

 

Agreed - IF John Q Public were able to obtain a private carry permit... But let's face facts and realize that there is virtually no way for a private citizen to obtain a carry permit in NJ unless you are politically connected, or (GASP) bribe an official.

romer12,

Apply for the carry permit when you reach 76YOA and let them deny you. IMO, you have a winning case for age discrimination.

PK90..................In 2003 I was going on 73 when I tried for my renewal permit. Sent in qualifying cert. plus $50. Turned down flat (age).......... I concur with concept of age discrimination, but such acton on my part would require a sum of money. And, if delayed a few years I'll probably be dead. So they would win (again)