I was wondering what would be necessary to register in the state as a firearms manufacturer, mainly just to make parts for personal use, since apparently that is manufacturing in the PR of NJ

Welcome the forum.. with that said, intresting 1st post.

 

so who are you?

Thanks. Just a mechanical engineering student who wants to get the most bang for the buck out of the NJ gun laws.

well, you sure can get one hell of a lecture.

as for manufacturing i think each particular item would have to be delt with on an individual basis and what change it would make to the particular firearm and would it affect other laws pertaining to the firearm.

 

and i am not sure you need a manufactures license if you are not manufacturing the frame.

As far as I can tell from the laws once you are a manufacturer you can make all the parts including an actual firearm itself. Aside from parts like stocks and grips it seems there isn't much differentiation between the rest of the parts. To me it seems ridiculous that one cannot make their own parts assuming that laws are followed otherwise. Specifically, I'm interested in bending 80% AK style receivers, but in general it would be nice to know what can and can't be done. It seems that it's mostly just an application that has to be done with the same requirements as an FID application, but you also need to meet zoning requirements, and I'm not terribly sure what would be involved with that. I'd basically be making parts for myself in the garage, so it's not like I'm talking about a large machine shop or anything. I'm trying to do everything according to the law, but they sure don't make it easy...

the frame which would contain the serial # would require a license from ATF.

 

and yes local gov and police chief would have to give approvals..

Technically the federal laws say for personal use none of that needs to be done if I'm correct in my understanding. The problem lies with NJ. They say that any part/firearm that is made is considered manufacturing and therefore you need to be registered as a manufacturer with the state to do it. I don't need to make anything to sell. I would just like to be able to make parts for my own firearms. I'm wondering if just the state registration would satisfy that and if I could even get zoning approval from the town. Like I said, I don't want to do anything other than what can be done in the garage.

AFAIK, you can make any firearm part that you want, as long as it is not a firearm receiver.

I am so paranoid about NJ laws that I saw websites offering fully auto MP5 with an unfolded receiver and wouldnt even want that in my house.

AFAIK, you can make any firearm part that you want, as long as it is not a firearm receiver.

This is my understanding as well.

But let's say I want to be able to make any part, receivers included... The law says you can only make other parts to repair an existing firearm, not parts for a new one.

But let's say I want to be able to make any part, receivers included... The law says you can only make other parts to repair an existing firearm, not parts for a new one.

 

 

In NJ you are SOL.....

My advise is to move to a free state to bend receivers.

You will also need a Type 7 FFL in order to be a legal manufacture of weapons if you plan to sell.

But let's say I want to be able to make any part, receivers included... The law says you can only make other parts to repair an existing firearm, not parts for a new one.

 

 

In NJ you are SOL.....

My advise is to move to a free state to bend receivers.

a Type 7 FFL in order to be a legal manufacture of weapons if you plan to sell.

 

why does move out of state always have to be the solution. hahaha. :hope:

In NJ you are SOL.....

My advise is to move to a free state to bend receivers.

You will also need a Type 7 FFL in order to be a legal manufacture of weapons if you plan to sell.

 

That's what I'm trying to understand now though. The law seems to say that anyone can register as a manufacturer. You have to do the fingerprinting and mental health forms as you would when applying for an FID card and pay $150 fee for 3 years as well meet the zoning regulations where you intend to do the work from. I haven't been able to find any difficulties really other than possible issues with the town. If the parts were being manufactured for personal use then the FFL requirements wouldn't be an issue, correct?

 

These are the main definitions and rules I could find that would apply from N.J.A.C. Title 13 Chapter 54

 

"Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them
into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks,
and other nonmetal parts of firearms. The term does not include a person who repairs existing
firearms or receives new and raw materials or parts solely for the repair of existing firearms.



N.J.A.C. 13:54-4.2 Registration required
No person shall manufacture or sell at wholesale any firearm or part of a firearm unless
he or she has been registered by the Superintendent under the provisions of this chapter. This
section shall not apply to a person who exclusively processes, or deals exclusively in, grips,
stocks and other nonmetal parts of firearms.

N.J.A.C. 13:54-4.3 Application for a certificate of registration
(a) Every person applying for a certificate of registration shall furnish such information and
particulars required by the applications forms designated STS 280 and 280A. The forms may be
obtained from the Firearms Investigation Unit, Division of State Police, Box 7068, West
Trenton, New Jersey 08628. All corporations, partnerships and other business organizations
applying for registration shall, in addition to the applications, submit a valid copy of the most
recent certificate of incorporation, or such other documentation establishing the corporation,
partnership or other business organization as a legal entity.

(c) The completed application together with two sets of the applicant's fingerprints, a consent
for mental health records search form SP 66, and a nonrefundable fee of $ 150.00 payable to the
Superintendent, in addition to the fees as established by N.J.A.C. 13:59 in accordance with
N.J.S.A. 53:1-20.5 et seq., shall be submitted to the Superintendent.

N.J.A.C. 13:54-4.4 Standards and qualifications
(a) Registration shall not be granted under this subchapter to any manufacturer or wholesale
dealer of firearms under the age of 21 years or to any person who could not qualify to obtain a
permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, or to any corporation,
partnership or other business organization in which the actual or equitable controlling interest is
held or possessed by such an ineligible person.

(f) A wholesale dealer and/or manufacturer shall not receive initial permission from the
Superintendent to conduct a wholesale/manufacturer firearms business unless local zoning
requirements have been satisfied for the operation of such a business, and the Superintendent has
been notified in writing that such requirements have been satisfied. After the issuance of the
initial registration, a wholesale dealer and/or manufacturer has a continuing obligation to remain
in compliance with local zoning requirements and to notify the Superintendent within 48 hours
of receiving written notice from the local zoning official or other competent authority that he or
she is not in compliance with such local zoning requirements. The failure of the wholesale dealer
and/or manufacturer to comply with this notification requirement may result in the revocation of
the registration or license of such dealer and/or manufacturer.

I would call the state police firearms unit if you want the exact information.

You will have to jump though hoops in order to get a manufacturing license in NJ the 07 is from the fed's.

 

I venture you say you will never be zoned epically if you plan to do it in your home or by a school. It seems like

a lot to want to go though to bend a cheap AK receiver, It's obvious that you are trying or looking to do much more

on the commercial end of manufacturing firearms and or parts.

A friend had a Type 7 but the cost and other necessities to keep it active wasn't worth his time. He used it to manufacture service rifles from receivers he supplied. To just manufacture parts I wouldn't see the benefit plus the associated costs and requirements the state and Federal government is going to impose. Just getting past the zoning is a hurdle for many.

It's obvious that you are trying or looking to do much more

on the commercial end of manufacturing firearms and or parts.

 

 

i know senseipsk and there is definitely no intent of a commercial end on this. he's just a normal guy that likes to (and somewhat prefers) to do things with his hands.

i know senseipsk and there is definitely no intent of a commercial end on this. he's just a normal guy that likes to (and somewhat prefers) to do things with his hands.

 

I meant nothing incriminating about my statement this country needs more smiths and manufactures in my opinion, that being said unless he is a commercial manufacture there is no way in hell NJ is going to grant him the license. There are just to many

regulations and rules and inspections made by the state.

i know senseipsk and there is definitely no intent of a commercial end on this. he's just a normal guy that likes to (and somewhat prefers) to do things with his hands.

 

I meant nothing incriminating about my statement this country needs more smiths and manufactures in my opinion, that being said unless he is a commercial manufacture there is no way in hell NJ is going to grant him the license. There are just to many

regulations and rules and inspections made by the state.

 

 

no problem. but he may just be the kind of guy to open up a full commercial shop just because he couldnt do it for himself. :mrgreen:

I wonder if it would be worth it to do as some sort of incorporated group? It would allow several like minded people to pool their time and resources. I personally would like to see some receivers that can't be purchased and must be made like the sten. Seriously how much effort is there in milling a few slots into a tube and calling it a receiver? At least I can buy an ak or AR receiver. Maybe a few NJ legal Bren guns? Just saying.

Unless I'm mistaken the zoning is the only real issue, and this would be handled on a town by town basis. The problem seems to be that the state doesn't differentiate from commercial manufacturing and hobby manufacturing. Without having the federal requirements though you can be nothing but a hobby manufacturer, and I was thinking that perhaps that would be a way to get the town to sign off on it. Maybe you would need to sign something with the town saying you would do no commercial work from your residence.

You cannot hold any type of FFL except for an 03 at a home residence from what I understand.

It was legal in the past but I believe has changed.

That was my understanding as well. If you had a home based 01 license from back when it was legal than you can keep it (for now at least), but no new ones are being issued.

 

I was curious if there was any commercial space some like minded tinkerers could borrow/lease from someone? We could collaborate on some projects and perhaps sell a few impossible to get items here in NJ, particularly to the "home build even though we can't technically home build" crowd. I don't forsee competing with Nodak but I wouldn't mind building a sten or 3, cut down odd surplus mage to NJ legal size etc. My Father in law owned a machine shop years ago but like most manufacturing in this state, he was getting older and getting less work so sold all of his equipment and space a few years back. If I knew then what I know now....

You cannot hold any type of FFL except for an 03 at a home residence from what I understand.

It was legal in the past but I believe has changed.

 

 

If you were to build parts only for personal use then wouldn't an FFL not be required, but only the state manufacturers registration?

You cannot hold any type of FFL except for an 03 at a home residence from what I understand.

It was legal in the past but I believe has changed.

 

 

If you were to build parts only for personal use then wouldn't an FFL not be required, but only the state manufacturers registration?

 

 

I would think in order to get the states manufacture registration you would need a federal 07ffl as a prerequisite.

NJ is not going to give you anything under the guise that you are only going to bend receivers for yourself. They will not

allow a 03ffl C&R for collectors without having a dealers license so I would highly doubt they are going to let someone

produce a unlimited amount of weapons without being licensed from the fed's, without a store front or a shop and without

providing them all the information on your entire life and operation. Like I said earlier it would be easier and cheaper to move to PA.