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So did the feds take off their shoes before entering the mosques? You know, respect and all.

wow there doing their jobs, thats amazing!! :shock:

Everything takes time, if the Fed's do not have everything in order when they make the seizure of this size, anything short of 100% proof will end up in failure. Epically when every civil rights group will be up their ass's doing everything they can to get all charges dropped so these guy's can get back to terrorism. I guarantee they have been watching these guy's for a long long time.

What Hodgie said. The Feds would only have moved in with enough to make this a win for the home team. Otherwise, the world will have a field day with it. I'm curious to know if this is a case against terrorism or a way to apply some squeeze on Iran for some other reasons. Only time will tell.

read the comments under this video on youtube.

 

Yeah there never a shortage of ass hats and American haters.

I guess they forgot that before America was their enemy it was each other since they

cannot manage not to kill each other over their conflicting interpretations of the Koran.

 

The Middle east has and always be a culture of war, this is all their nations and leaders know

how to do since the beginning of time.

at the risk of taking this thread in a direction that tinyboy probably didn't intend...

 

i'm all for squeezing the government of Iran (and every other terrorist supporting government) in every possible way. History shows that appeasement is nothing less than a sign of weakness and invitation for greater harm. i feel very strongly that the government is obligated to do whatever it takes to keep terrorist attacks off of American soil, but i feel even more strongly that the rights of all American citizens must be honored.

 

terrorist or not, clearly the dude at Fort Hood was a psycho - the death penalty was created for guys just like him. There are a lot of other bad apples out there too; they come in all sizes, colors, genders and religions.

 

for better or worse, my point here is that i think it's too easy for some folks, especially in the context of events like the Fort Hood incident and the news article above, to come to a general conclusion that all folks of a particular background, or in this case religion, are bad people who conspire to do this country harm. life is just never that simple. there are a lot of good people (and good American citizens) who happen to be white, black, gay, fill_in_the_blank, or Muslim. every person is an individual and should be judged based on his or her actions and deeds.

 

i work with a pretty diverse group of folks at a major engineering firm. all are highly educated American citizens. one of these guys happens to be Muslim, and yes, he attends a local Mosque. i can honestly say that i have never met any other person who has greater integrity, is more honest, more accepting and understanding, more respectful or who appreciates the fundamental principles of our founding fathers - especially the freedom to practice religion in a personal and private way - more than this guy. i would literally take a bullet for him if ever called to do so because he embodies the principles that we all believe in - the fundamental right that we should be able to live our life in the way we wish as long as we do no harm or disrespect to others.

 

as i get older, i find myself slower to judge, and more accepting and appreciative of differences. i think that's a good thing.

I can agree with that, however other countries and even some "American citizens" may not. I do believe that the feds are watching terrorist organizations in this country and need to get the ball rolling before more of these horrid events occur. I know they have to put a case together because the very people that hate us, we give our rights too.

 

The rights we give individuals who come here to do us and our families harm should not receive rights at all. Maybe that is a little harsh but there is a really thin line when it comes to terrorist who've become American citizens. If they do cause harm they still have rights which I feel is messed up, I dunno it's a weird world we live in.

They should make the test harder to become citizen, as of today the test is a joke, I personally know of people who don't speak English and are naturalized American. When I became citizen it took me 6 months, a few question about history, have two people present for character reference that knew me for two years of more that

They should make the test harder to become citizen, as of today the test is a joke, I personally know of people who don't speak English and are naturalized American. When I became citizen it took me 6 months, a few question about history, have two people present for character reference that knew me for two years of more that
I'll bet if you ask ten average citizens about the three branches of government, they'd furrow their brows, giggle, and then make a feeble (and wrong) guess.

 

Dairy, meat and veggies right?

I'll bet if you ask ten average citizens about the three branches of government, they'd furrow their brows, giggle, and then make a feeble (and wrong) guess.

 

Dairy, meat and veggies right?

 

Kind of like those people who voted for Obama and said Obama was going to lower the price of oil.

 

Like he was in the Oil branch of the Govt. or something.

 

I know what you mean. :doh:

I'll bet if you ask ten average citizens about the three branches of government, they'd furrow their brows, giggle, and then make a feeble (and wrong) guess.

 

Dairy, meat and veggies right?

 

Only veggies if you count the ketchup. :)

I'll bet if you ask ten average citizens about the three branches of government, they'd furrow their brows, giggle, and then make a feeble (and wrong) guess.

 

Dairy, meat and veggies right?

 

Only veggies if you count the ketchup. :)

 

That was the question that I miss :lol::lol: . My friend became citizen when Christy Whitman was governor. One question was who is the governor of New Jersey? His answer, I know is a woman. It

I dont think that test really matters, cause as soon as you set foot on this land you have this lands rights. But I think there should be acceptions to people who want to do this country harm... I dunno...

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