*SIGH* to be the gun dork at a traffic stop.

 

In NJ, you're the boot on the neck guy, rather than the gun dork.

 

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On numerous Internet forums, and some email lists, gun owners periodically report being hassled by police when pulled over for routine traffic infractions. These gun owners often complain of being detained for longer than necessary to issue a traffic summons, being temporarily disarmed, and having the serial numbers of the guns recorded.

 

But often there is a common thread to these stories

Hay I'm dork number three the steering wheel guy. I have my hands on the wheel with my licence and reg between the fingers. I always inform the cop my insurance id is in the glove box and ask if it's ok to open it first. This was an NYPD cop's recommendation and has always worked for me. Although it's been a while since I've been pulled over. And I dont carry my government wont let me

I wish I had the opportunity and privilege of being a gun dork, But unfortunately I live in New Jersey.

So?

I've never had the opportunity to get pulled over with my guns in the car.. but I thought you didn't have to tell the cop unless he asks? And even then.. your not really obligated too unless you are under arrest?

 

Strictly by the law of course. Not implying any negative will against any LEO's.

I will not volunteer any information regarding firearms if I am ever stopped...

 

And yes Mark - if only we could be gun dorks...

#3 is a GOOD idea..makes me happy when i can see your hands as i walk up on the car. Now, that said..i honestly dont give a damn if you have guns in the car, because presumably you are NOT going to be stupid enough to have something laying out in the open that im obligated to notice. If your guns and ammo are cased and secured as they should be, then they dont affect me, or your traffic stop in any way. As it is you had to do something INCREDIBLY stupid for me to stop you in the first place, then show an uncontrollably high degree of Anal Polarity for me to write you...I end up cutting about 90% of stops with a verbal warning.

#3 is a GOOD idea..makes me happy when i can see your hands as i walk up on the car. Now, that said..i honestly dont give a damn if you have guns in the car, because presumably you are NOT going to be stupid enough to have something laying out in the open that im obligated to notice. If your guns and ammo are cased and secured as they should be, then they dont affect me, or your traffic stop in any way. As it is you had to do something INCREDIBLY stupid for me to stop you in the first place, then show an uncontrollably high degree of Anal Polarity for me to write you...I end up cutting about 90% of stops with a verbal warning.

 

Good post kdp. A long time ago, a friend who is a police dispatcher got pulled over at night while I was in the car with him. He told me to turn on the interior light, open the window and put hands on the steering wheel. Puts the officer a little at ease from the start.

 

Also, thanks for : "I end up cutting about 90% of stops with a verbal warning", that's really good of you.

Also, thanks for : "I end up cutting about 90% of stops with a verbal warning", that's really good of you.

Where I live nobody gets off. I have not herd one person say they got a warning ever.

I learned from "Adam 12", you don't go rummaging through your glove compartment when Officers Malloy and Reed stop you.

Hey, I'm not a criminal, so why act like one....

Also, thanks for : "I end up cutting about 90% of stops with a verbal warning", that's really good of you.

Where I live nobody gets off. I have not herd one person say they got a warning ever.

 

Guess you dont live where i work..i dont know what you want me to tell you.

Texas requires you to notify the officer if you are carrying with a CCW, Florida is advisable to show your CCW with your license.

 

What to do if the police stop you.

 

We at NCRF were lucky enough to meet Evan F. Nappen, who is most likely, the greatest personal firearms attorney in the country. It was refreshing to find a lawyer who did not believe in giving away our rights & who deeply believed in our Second Amendment right to bear arms. He gave advice for all gun owners on what to do if the police stop you.

 

First, remain silent. You are only required to give your name, address, & drivers license (only if driving) to the police. Do not volunteer information or answer any questions. Mr. Nappen's advice when asked if you have guns in the car is to reply by saying, "Why are you asking me that question?" You see the police can only search if there is something in plain sight or if they have probable cause. If there is nothing in plain sight & you refuse to answer any question, the police will lack the cause to search you or your car. The only way of giving police probable cause is to answer their questions, which are designed to trap you. Do not consent to a search! As Mr. Nappen puts it, "Men & women died for our rights, the least I can do is to exercise my rights." Second, ask for your attorney. You have a right to have an attorney present during any questioning. By asking for your attorney, you may not be interrogated. Third, do not consent to giving up your rights. Do not consent to a search without a warrant or sign statements without an attorney's advice. A right given up is a right lost. If the police stop you; do not resist physically, give your name & address only (license if driving), you do not have to answer questions or consent to a search without a warrant. If arrested say, "I want my attorney." Do not be tricked, threatened, or persuaded into giving up you rights.

 

Without a warrant or probable cause, evidence against you will most likely be thrown out in a criminal court case. For the many who are wrongly arrested for not consenting to police searches, Mr.Nappen will sue the police because they have violated your civil rights. Police departments who wish to settle civil rights cases need to pay up $3,000 per hour that you were wrongly in jail or risk a federal suit $!

I've never been stopped or ever had a ticket (23 years.)

All the info you posted is useful to know for a traffic stop virgin.

I've never been stopped or ever had a ticket (23 years.)

All the info you posted is useful to know for a traffic stop virgin.

 

Two other things you should review:

 

Don't talk to cops:

 

BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

I've been pulled over once (23 myself). I just remembered what I was taught, and has been said by 71ragtopgoat. I kept my hands on the wheel at 11 & 1 until the officer came to my window, and told the officer I was reaching for my license and registration after he asked for them.

 

My only advice is don't be that person who stops after being pulled over in the most inconvenient place when you could have easily pulled into a side street or parking lot. Maybe its against protocol or something, but it annoys the hell out of me as another driver on the road-- and I'm sure the LEO doesn't want to be in traffic's harms way.

If you are outside of the US, make sure you have a $100 bill folded up and put away. That might get you out of a jam. It was my backup plan in Mexico but luckily, the LEO (no uniform, heavily armed) was satisfied with $14.

Texas requires you to notify the officer if you are carrying with a CCW, Florida is advisable to show your CCW with your license.

 

What to do if the police stop you.

 

We at NCRF were lucky enough to meet Evan F. Nappen, who is most likely, the greatest personal firearms attorney in the country. It was refreshing to find a lawyer who did not believe in giving away our rights & who deeply believed in our Second Amendment right to bear arms. He gave advice for all gun owners on what to do if the police stop you.

 

First, remain silent. You are only required to give your name, address, & drivers license (only if driving) to the police. Do not volunteer information or answer any questions. Mr. Nappen's advice when asked if you have guns in the car is to reply by saying, "Why are you asking me that question?" You see the police can only search if there is something in plain sight or if they have probable cause. If there is nothing in plain sight & you refuse to answer any question, the police will lack the cause to search you or your car. The only way of giving police probable cause is to answer their questions, which are designed to trap you. Do not consent to a search! As Mr. Nappen puts it, "Men & women died for our rights, the least I can do is to exercise my rights." Second, ask for your attorney. You have a right to have an attorney present during any questioning. By asking for your attorney, you may not be interrogated. Third, do not consent to giving up your rights. Do not consent to a search without a warrant or sign statements without an attorney's advice. A right given up is a right lost. If the police stop you; do not resist physically, give your name & address only (license if driving), you do not have to answer questions or consent to a search without a warrant. If arrested say, "I want my attorney." Do not be tricked, threatened, or persuaded into giving up you rights.

 

Without a warrant or probable cause, evidence against you will most likely be thrown out in a criminal court case. For the many who are wrongly arrested for not consenting to police searches, Mr.Nappen will sue the police because they have violated your civil rights. Police departments who wish to settle civil rights cases need to pay up $3,000 per hour that you were wrongly in jail or risk a federal suit $!

 

I'm not anti-cop.. but I am anti-giving up my rights for nothing. I guess I have a somewhat unusual situation because I usually place my locked cases in the back seat of my pickup.. there is no trunk. So.. I guess if the jacket I put over them moves and the cop asks about them.. I kind of have to give them probable cause?

.. then it's one of those grey areas.. even though I'm 100% legal in terms of transporting them.