Here is an odd one: In California, their AWB has a couple of interesting workaround including the use of a hybrid stock/pistol grip to get by their evil features list.

 

So... question: If I got one of these hybrid stock/grips, would that mean I could then have a A2 Flash Hider on my AR? (sans a bayo lug of course)

No idea on legality here.. but have you ever seen one of those stocks? They're goofy looking to say the least Totally not worth it just for a flashhider IMHO

In my non-legal opinion, Yes, it would cease to be a pistol grip.

id rather have an actual pistol grip then that hideous stock/grip thing they have. whats the big deal on a flash hider anyway? is anyone really going to shoot so much at night? youd get more use out of a compensator then a hider. the only reason every other state has the hider is because they can, not because its actually better then a compensator.

this is not legal advice so dont go get yourself arrested but... the more interesting question is:

 

If you use a bullet button like people in CA, does the semiauto rifle cease to have a detachable magazine and thus can have a flashhider/grenade launcher and bayo lug.

thats the point of the bullet button. to necessitate the need of a tool to remove the mag, thereby making it no longer a 'detachable mag'. i know of one company at least that makes AR lowers with an internal mag, limited to 10 rounds, just for calif.

It's my non legal opinion.. and is worth exactly what you paid for it.

 

and I know I've had this conversation before.. but I would think the bullet button isn't permanent enough for NJ.

 

The bullet button comes with a dummy cartridge on a string for the purposes of easily removing the magazine.

 

run a bead of weld around the mag well sealing in the 15 round mag.. and I'd call that permanent. and you can have all the evil features you want.

I gotta say, I don't really understand why anyone cares about some of these "evil features"... bayo lug? who cares... flashhider? eh, it'd be nice I guess, but given some of the comps/brakes we have access to, I think it's largely a moot concern. Sure, it would be nice to not have to perm attach them, but, eh, I can live with that. The one feature that I do see merit in is a collapsible stock, since LOP does play a roll in proper stance and recoil management. But even that isn't an insurmountable obstacle.

I know personally, I'd rather have the ability to have removable 15 round magazines than either of the 3 previously mentioned "evil features"...

 

It does suck that we have to even worry about such things, but, I do think we're much better off than places like Cali

 

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edited to correct an erroneously placed "can't" that should have been a "can"

I gotta say, I don't really understand why anyone cares about some of these "evil features"... bayo lug? who cares... flashhider? eh, it'd be nice I guess, but given some of the comps/brakes we have access to, I think it's largely a moot concern. Sure, it would be nice to not have to perm attach them, but, eh, I can't live with that. The one feature that I do see merit in is a collapsible stock, since LOP does play a roll in proper stance and recoil management. But even that isn't an insurmountable obstacle.

I know personally, I'd rather have the ability to have removable 15 round magazines than either of the 3 previously mentioned "evil features"...

 

It does suck that we have to even worry about such things, but, I do think we're much better off than places like Cali

 

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You give them an inch and they take a mile.