So I have been looking at the kits on GB. The uncut receiver and also the parts kits. I could cut and weld the receiver in my motorcycle shop with the supplied stencil.

 

Besides the mag issue, are they legal in NJ? I'm pretty sure they are but the mag is inserted into the side. Could be a problem. Technically a rifle so no permit needed? Am I allowed to make my own receiver in this fashion?

 

Ever since I built my P1, I am all into these kits, now.

 

Any help is appreciated!

Just got word that we can't build receivers...

Right, no S/N etc....even if we could aren't those sten kits full auto anyway?

This one wasn't. It was a semi kit. So pretty, too.

Oh ok....I always thought they were full auto. Yeah, they are pretty cool looking guns! Are those the ones they used to call grease guns?

Not sure...

 

 

 

Pretty similar!

 

(Sten MKIII on top... )

Right, no S/N etc....even if we could aren't those sten kits full auto anyway?

 

Anyway, I hope there is an exception or a way. I have two rifles with no serial numbers purchased 100% legally and right here in this fine state.

Similar, but the Sten was British (9mm), the Grease gun is American (.45acp and later 9mm).

 

I read somewhere that certain units in Iraq are still issued the grease gun (mechanics for instance who aren't on the front lines and need a lightweight weapon because they are always lugging tools).

 

In their original configuration, were open bolt sub machine guns. Very simple designs, basically stamped metal.

 

I'd love to own one of each :mrgreen:

Right, no S/N etc....even if we could aren't those sten kits full auto anyway?

 

Anyway, I hope there is an exception or a way. I have two rifles with no serial numbers purchased 100% legally and right here in this fine state.

 

I don't think it's a serial number issue so much as its a grey area as to "when do you become an unlicensed (NJ) manufacturer?"

 

In America, there is no problem, building your own stuff as long as you never sell it. I'm not 100% sure how it works if it is to be willed to someone after your departure.

Yeah. your right. Just checked the ATF website. So far, I can manufacture and own it as long as it is not built with the intent for sale.

 

Another website says that some states will issue a serial number to stamp into the receiver after it is "called in"

 

Anyone have any pull with the NJSP? Every time I call and leave a message, the call is returned 2 weeks later.

even sten dummy guns + semi auto long barrel versions are illegal in new jersey under 2C:58-5

under the similary identical clause (ie. sterling mk6 ,mk7 , + sar designations ) - even the magazine is an assault weapon if it holds more than 15 rds. - no serial #'s are ok if manufactured before december 1968 - most states allow manufacture of firearms for personal use with out a license , new jersey is not one of them ! - most suppliers will not even ship the kits to a new jersey address - calls to the state police should be avoided , they are not legally responsible for their answers , it is written into state statues that the new jersey state police is not authorized to provide legal advice - you can usually find this disclaimer in most of their published liturature -

Crapola.

 

Thanks Jager for the plethora of good info!

even sten dummy guns + semi auto long barrel versions are illegal in new jersey under 2C:58-5

under the similary identical clause (ie. sterling mk6 ,mk7 , + sar designations ) - even the magazine is an assault weapon if it holds more than 15 rds. - no serial #'s are ok if manufactured before december 1968 - most states allow manufacture of firearms for personal use with out a license , new jersey is not one of them ! - most suppliers will not even ship the kits to a new jersey address - calls to the state police should be avoided , they are not legally responsible for their answers , it is written into state statues that the new jersey state police is not authorized to provide legal advice - you can usually find this disclaimer in most of their published liturature -

 

How would a dummy gun be considered an assault weapon?

 

R you talking about a "demilled" gun?

To the OP, you cannot stamp or otherwise fab your own receiver in NJ. NJ law preempts the federal law in that regard.

 

The only way to be able to mfg in NJ is to get a NJ mfg license.

excuse me - most dummy guns as advertised in sportsman guide + cheaper than dirt are built with dummy receivers + demilled barrels , trigger groups , + functioning mags - catolog clearly states that they can not be shipped to n.j. -

excuse me - most dummy guns as advertised in sportsman guide + cheaper than dirt are built with dummy receivers + demilled barrels , trigger groups , + functioning mags - catalog clearly states that they can not be shipped to n.j. -

 

I would take the legal advice of sportsman's guide before a crazy hobo i suppose, but they also mark their AR-15 sights and sight adjustment tools as not available in NJ.

 

I could see an argument if you said a "dummy gun" was built with an actual receiver from a named weapon. but all of the "de-milled" receivers I've ever seen where torch cut way beyond usability, making them NOT a weapon in the ATF's eyes.

 

If you get a dummy receiver that isn't marked as such, I don't see why there would be a problem making a replica from the rest of the "real" parts (barrel, trigger group, etc) assuming it can't actually fire.

It need a 16" barrel to be legal as well as made outside of NJ.

It need a 16" barrel to be legal as well as made outside of NJ.

 

The question I was trying to clarify was what makes a fake dummy gun a dummy gun. If it's fake, then you can put whatever you want on it.. right?

It need a 16" barrel to be legal as well as made outside of NJ.

 

The question I was trying to clarify was what makes a fake dummy gun a dummy gun. If it's fake, then you can put whatever you want on it.. right?

 

Most demilled rifles I have seen have a slug welded into the bolt like Army drill rifles.

Sarco sells replica rifles they are way over priced for a chunk of useless metal.

Just 'build' it across the boarder and bring it on home, make sure you electro-pencil a different name on the receiver other then sten, MADE IN PA, and add a s/n. The problem is even if you did everything in a legal fashion, if confronted by an overzealous cop you will probably be arrested and have to prove yourself innocent which is going to cost you anyway. Happened to my friend with a WASR-10.

One of the Shot Gun news magazines had a how to build,, it was cool looking .

Hows your welding and lathe skills it didnt look simple .

 

Then you have the part of living here as we all do its kinda like living on the misfit island santa doesnt come here!

It need a 16" barrel to be legal as well as made outside of NJ.

 

The question I was trying to clarify was what makes a fake dummy gun a dummy gun. If it's fake, then you can put whatever you want on it.. right?

 

I was answering the original question. As for the dummy guns many are made with solid recievers,plastic, or from zinc.

 

Basically you have 4 types of dummys. The solid reciever type built on a parts kit,early well built steel replicas like the MGC Mp40 or Hudsons replicas, Shoei guns like the FG42,MP44 and plastic guns like the Maurschin MP40 cap gun.

SO all I have to do it build the Sten in PA, electropencil any old serial number on it, make sure it doesn't say "STEN" on it, 16" barrel, semi-auto, "Made in PA.."

 

And it still may be illegal! not worth it.

 

My welding skills are pretty good...not professional but get the job done. I built this beauty. (Still a work in progress)

 

Nice bobber, My brother in law is going to start a build soon out of an old Triumph.

Do the feds require you to put a serial number on it when you make your own receiver?

Do the feds require you to put a serial number on it when you make your own receiver?

 

I have dealt with many non NJ people who build guns and this is what has been said almost to the word

 

"The ATF "recommends" that at a minimum you do place a serial number on the completed weapon and you MUST put the builders name, location, and serial number on the weapon if you ever sell it. I always mark my builds, when I build them, because it makes no sense to me not to do so."

 

 

As for builing one, it would need to be 922r compliant,approved design,closed bolt,and a 16" barrel. If you really want one there are companies that sell semi autos thus they are atf approved.

I thought if you made your own for personal use, it would be illegal to sell them?

No it's perfectly legal to build and sell a firearm (in the rest of the free states) as long as it's not a business. So if someone builds a gun, they can sell it as long as everything required by the ATF is inscribed on it, and it's inscribed to ATF specifications. I have seen issues where FFL's won't touch homebuilt firearms though.

 

The problem comes into play if you build say an AK from a flat and decide to sell it later vs. building 5 or 10 or 100 AK's and selling them. Like all things the line between someone who does it to make a profit vs someone who's doing it for fun and then selling them off to fund other projects is sort of an ATF gray area. Where is the line drawn? Selling one gun a year? 5, 100? The same thing goes for buying and selling firearms in general. When are you just thinning down your collection vs. acting as an illegal dealer?

 

There is a case now where a guy was assembling AR15's out of suppllied parts for $50. Now he's on trial as an illegal manufacturer. Even though he wasn't doing it often and he was building it on customer supplied 100% lower receivers, he was doing it for a profit. It's all about intent.

So bottom line is that while I live in NJ, I cannot build a Sten.

 

If I go to PA, build it and bring it back (blocked mags), it is still illegal.

 

Honestly Celraysoda I've been considering this problem for a while (I hve several sten kits). If you just built it in PA and inscribed info on it and brought it over the border I think you would be in a bind between NJ calling you an illegal manufacturer or doing an illegal FTF in PA which would be a federal crime. Technically if you had an uncle or someone from out of state you could engrave their info and then transfer it through an FFL. Finding an FFL to perform the transfer might be a problem and your Uncle would need to send a copy of his Drivers license to the FFL. So I think it's possible

 

I have yet to find someone who sells 100% sten receivers (or even an 80% receiver that has been engraved. I've built AK's on Nodak receivers and I'm sure building a sten wouldn't be a big deal (ALthough I understand they can require some tweaking) but I'm not sure how to accomplish it legally. If you find an uncle that could mail me a stupid sten tube and an FFL to receive it though let me know. :roll: I've actually considered getting a manufacturing license just to resell these tubes here in NJ. There are several semi auto sten companies including semiautosten.com and indianapolis ordanance that make semi parts and 80% tubes.