I cant stress how much i hate this state even more. So they sent a letter to my place of employment, which was pointless because I work for the army and they didnt address it to any individual. So i call them and ask if I can put down a different reference and they tell me

"It HAS to be your employer"

"Well you never contacted them before"

"Yes we have we ALWAYS do"

"Um no you haven't..." (I know this because they have never sent my employer a reference letter)

"Yes we have, we always send it out to the employer, always"

 

What if I don't want my employer knowing I own guns? Is there anything in the law that allows them to deny me because I wouldnt give my employer?

They never have contacted my employer, only the references I put on the paper.

That's seems like a total invasion of privacy. I do not want my "employer" to know that I have firearms because it's NONE OF THEIR GD BUSINESS.

I'm not 100% on this.. but I believe the state gives the local PD the responsibility of conducting the background investigation, and that is where the differences come in.

 

What if you were unemployed, or self employed, or retired?

Out of curiosity, which PD is this? It seems pretty uncharacteristic, even for Jersey.

Edison. The lady'sname is Denine (Da-neen) however you spell it. She's so pleasant to deal with...

Ah, yes, Edison. That's actually the second time I hear about the extra mile their PD goes to obstruct the application process. I hope that someone decides to get an attorney to challenge them at some point. Contacting the employer is simply outrageous.

Jersey City does need a letter from your employer as to why you should own a firearm.... or so a JC resident told me.

Years ago, under a different police chief, the police did that to me when i worked for Verizon. Not only was it difficult to get a letter to my boss in such a large company, but they almost didn't open it as they weren't expecting it and thought it was from the PBA asking for money. I couldn't tell my boss I wanted a handgun as this was right after that guy went "postal" which c'oined the phrase. So I had to make up a story just to get a reply. If I hadn't my permit would have been denied.

This is kinda on the same topic, when I got my FID card and pistol permit I wasn't employed. So on the permit it says "unemployed". Do I have to get it changed if I get a job?

Almost worth putting self employed or unemployed. I have a gun friendly boss/company that I work for so I dont have to worry about it. It does seem a bit over the line to actually approach or contact your place of work. I can understand 2 references but not your work.

 

I think it is silly that you have to keep giving references every time you go an APPLY for more hand gun permits. If you got the FID and original permits and you havent been involved in any wrong doing or charged with any crimes why should they contact your references for every permit? Seems a bit over kill but then again welcome to NJ! Spending our tax dollars on everything but what they should be spend on! :roll:

 

Ok I am stepping down off my soap box now.... :snooty:

 

-Scott

Especially since your references are going to be gun friends who use you as their reference over and over again.

I was never ask, in the permit I put "UNEMPLOY" they never question me, in Weehawken and E. Rutherford.

I had this problem with my company as well. No one wanted to deal with the letter sent by the police, so they forwarded it to the legal department, who simply threw it out (they have no obligation to return it, nor do they obtain anything if they do).

 

Last time this happened to me, I contacted the state police firearms division. They told me that it is not required by statute to get an employer's reference, and I cannot be denied simply based on my employer refusing to send it back.

 

I then spoke to the local PD officer that handles these, and told him to contact the state police firearm division for that question. He refused, so I filed a complaint against the officer, then filed a complaint against the police with the mayor's office. Two days later, I got a phone call telling me my permits were approved.

I had this problem with my company as well. No one wanted to deal with the letter sent by the police, so they forwarded it to the legal department, who simply threw it out (they have no obligation to return it, nor do they obtain anything if they do).

 

Last time this happened to me, I contacted the state police firearms division. They told me that it is not required by statute to get an employer's reference, and I cannot be denied simply based on my employer refusing to send it back.

 

I then spoke to the local PD officer that handles these, and told him to contact the state police firearm division for that question. He refused, so I filed a complaint against the officer, then filed a complaint against the police with the mayor's office. Two days later, I got a phone call telling me my permits were approved.

 

Good for you! But it is a shame that we, good law bidding cizens, have to jump through hoops like this. Very sad....

 

-Scott

Hey Dewhitewolf,

 

Your story intrigues me very much and Im tempted to follow suit. All of us should. I'm tired of these local asses making more hoops up for us to jump through. Was there any statute they pointed you towards to tell them to F off?

On a related note, I think it would be helpful for people to post their experiences in dealing with their local PDs - just a few things like:

 

Police Department/Name of the officer who processes applications (normally one person)/Time taken for the FID to be issued/Time to issue permits. The data could be aggregated, formatted and posted as a reference for the benefit of future firearms owners, so that they know what to expect.

On a related note, I think it would be helpful for people to post their experiences in dealing with their local PDs - just a few things like:

 

Police Department/Name of the officer who processes applications (normally one person)/Time taken for the FID to be issued/Time to issue permits. The data could be aggregated, formatted and posted as a reference for the benefit of future firearms owners, so that they know what to expect.

 

 

There are a few threads on here that have just about all that info you mention already but heres the link to a good one:

 

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2568

 

-Scott

On a related note, I think it would be helpful for people to post their experiences in dealing with their local PDs - just a few things like:

 

Police Department/Name of the officer who processes applications (normally one person)/Time taken for the FID to be issued/Time to issue permits. The data could be aggregated, formatted and posted as a reference for the benefit of future firearms owners, so that they know what to expect.

 

 

There are a few threads on here that have just about all that info you mention already but heres the link to a good one:

 

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2568

 

-Scott

 

Far too much noise in that thread, which would make collecting the relevant details more than difficult than necessary. I think I'll start a new one and see if people are interested in compiling the info.

My father and I currently employ well over 900 people in 5 different states and neither of us have ever been contacted regarding an employee interested in obtaining a firearms ID card. Over the past 15 years for me, and 48 for him there have been 1000's of employees and we've never been contacted. I would think somewhere along the line one of our employees would have applied. Just my .02.

My father and I currently employ well over 900 people in 5 different states and neither of us have ever been contacted regarding an employee interested in obtaining a firearms ID card. Over the past 15 years for me, and 48 for him there have been 1000's of employees and we've never been contacted. I would think somewhere along the line one of our employees would have applied. Just my .02.

 

Dude - illegal aliens (whoops! Undocumented Workers) don't apply for firearms. They go to the boro and buy a LowPoint on the street corner.

So on the permit it says "unemployed". Do I have to get it changed if I get a job?

 

The information was factual when the application was submitted. so no, you do not have to modify it.

 

As for employment, one of the requirements on the Firearm's Invesigation Form is employment verification. A reference is not required. Not unlike the verification requests I received when one of my people applied for a loan. Nothing beyond "are they employed at that agency?"

My father and I currently employ well over 900 people in 5 different states and neither of us have ever been contacted regarding an employee interested in obtaining a firearms ID card. Over the past 15 years for me, and 48 for him there have been 1000's of employees and we've never been contacted. I would think somewhere along the line one of our employees would have applied. Just my .02.

 

Dude - illegal aliens (whoops! Undocumented Workers) don't apply for firearms. They go to the boro and buy a LowPoint on the street corner.

 

 

haha very true...although 100% of our employees are legal US residents. Yes, even at the car washes. They all pay taxes, and receive checks, file income tax returns etc. 90% of our other employees are American born.

 

BTW....whats wrong with a LowPoint??? lmao

BTW....whats wrong with a LowPoint??? lmao

 

Nothing. I was looking at getting the carbine in 9mm actually but I feel that they're going for too much money on Gunbroker right now. If I find one for $150, it's coming home for sure - then it's getting a new stock cause that thing is fuglier than a cross between Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.

Yeah, they are pretty nasty looking. Cool with new stocks tho!

For anyone willing to take a minute, here's the FID/permit application info collection thread:

 

http://www.njgunforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5438

legal alliens can apply and own guns in nj just more paper work silly stuff like an utility bill

also Ive known younger people 25 and younger that lived at home with parents that the parents got the letter of inquiry

legal alliens can apply and own guns in nj just more paper work silly stuff like an utility bill

also Ive known younger people 25 and younger that lived at home with parents that the parents got the letter of inquiry

 

Illegal aliens can apply, but they are breaking the law, yes I know they are already breaking the law. When you fill the form for your Firearm purchase ID card they ask, citizen or resident alien and have to put your alien number. They will never get a permit legally, the state police check for records with the FBI, any foreign born is register with immigration, even after you become a citizen.