So I am a long way away from an AR purchase (I dont even own a rifle yet and ill probably go with a 10/22 to start) but I love to build things (im an engineer) so building an AR is definitely in my future. How does it work law wise in NJ? What parts have to be purchased through an FFL and which can you just order online and have shipped to your house? Thanks for any info and im sorry if this has been asked a million times -

You have to buy your lower from a FFL, anything else can be shipped to your house.

 

You can't have more than one item on the "evil list" or your gun becomes illegal in NJ. Since AR's come with pistol grips as part of the design, that means no other items such as flash suppressors, etc. Also you can't have a magazine with a capacity of more then 15.

So I am a long way away from an AR purchase (I dont even own a rifle yet and ill probably go with a 10/22 to start) but I love to build things (im an engineer) so building an AR is definitely in my future. How does it work law wise in NJ? What parts have to be purchased through an FFL and which can you just order online and have shipped to your house? Thanks for any info and im sorry if this has been asked a million times -

 

When you finish building it, be sure to get the muzzle device permanently attached. As well as pinning any "collapsible" stock you put on.

 

Amazingly enough, I did some work on my AR this weekend, took the whole thing apart as much as I could. I am preparing to do some work on the front end (remove/replace existing MB device and front sight) and am lining up the tools, parts and time to do it. I have a circular metal cutter and a dremel GTG. I have the punches for the FSB. I only need a drill press to pin the new MBD on (which isn't too hard after looking at the parts).

 

Basically need the drill press to go through the new MBD (before assembling it), then I would just put it onto the barrel, drill a teeny bit into the threads (or use existing hole if it lines up), and pound in a new pin (preferably made of a malleable low-yield steel). Basically how most manufacturers do it.

So I am a long way away from an AR purchase (I dont even own a rifle yet and ill probably go with a 10/22 to start) but I love to build things (im an engineer) so building an AR is definitely in my future. How does it work law wise in NJ? What parts have to be purchased through an FFL and which can you just order online and have shipped to your house? Thanks for any info and im sorry if this has been asked a million times -

 

When you finish building it, be sure to get the muzzle device permanently attached. As well as pinning any "collapsible" stock you put on.

 

Amazingly enough, I did some work on my AR this weekend, took the whole thing apart as much as I could. I am preparing to do some work on the front end (remove/replace existing MB device and front sight) and am lining up the tools, parts and time to do it. I have a circular metal cutter and a dremel GTG. I have the punches for the FSB. I only need a drill press to pin the new MBD on (which isn't too hard after looking at the parts).

 

Basically need the drill press to go through the new MBD (before assembling it), then I would just put it onto the barrel, drill a teeny bit into the threads (or use existing hole if it lines up), and pound in a new pin (preferably made of a malleable low-yield steel). Basically how most manufacturers do it.

 

Measure down from the center of the existing hole 1"-1.5" and mark with a pencil a reference mark around the barrel, then draw a pencil line from the center of the hole (STRAIGHT, mind) down the barrel to the mark. install, and index your Muzzle Device. then using the reference mark, and center line, mark the spot on the indexed muzzle device where your existing hole should be. Remove muzzle device, and drill at the mark, that SHOULD, if you're careful, put you where you need to be. Believe it or not a short piece of decent (Not the white ones) Coat hanger wire is more than enough to function as a good pin. Set it in place, use a center punch to upset the wire metal then Mig or Tig fill the hole in. Clean up the surface, and finish in whichever finish you prefer, just leave a little blemish there to show the weld,

So I am a long way away from an AR purchase (I dont even own a rifle yet and ill probably go with a 10/22 to start) but I love to build things (im an engineer) so building an AR is definitely in my future. How does it work law wise in NJ? What parts have to be purchased through an FFL and which can you just order online and have shipped to your house? Thanks for any info and im sorry if this has been asked a million times -

 

When you finish building it, be sure to get the muzzle device permanently attached. As well as pinning any "collapsible" stock you put on.

 

Amazingly enough, I did some work on my AR this weekend, took the whole thing apart as much as I could. I am preparing to do some work on the front end (remove/replace existing MB device and front sight) and am lining up the tools, parts and time to do it. I have a circular metal cutter and a dremel GTG. I have the punches for the FSB. I only need a drill press to pin the new MBD on (which isn't too hard after looking at the parts).

 

Basically need the drill press to go through the new MBD (before assembling it), then I would just put it onto the barrel, drill a teeny bit into the threads (or use existing hole if it lines up), and pound in a new pin (preferably made of a malleable low-yield steel). Basically how most manufacturers do it.

 

Measure down from the center of the existing hole 1"-1.5" and mark with a pencil a reference mark around the barrel, then draw a pencil line from the center of the hole (STRAIGHT, mind) down the barrel to the mark. install, and index your Muzzle Device. then using the reference mark, and center line, mark the spot on the indexed muzzle device where your existing hole should be. Remove muzzle device, and drill at the mark, that SHOULD, if you're careful, put you where you need to be. Believe it or not a short piece of decent (Not the white ones) Coat hanger wire is more than enough to function as a good pin. Set it in place, use a center punch to upset the wire metal then Mig or Tig fill the hole in. Clean up the surface, and finish in whichever finish you prefer, just leave a little blemish there to show the weld,

 

That's the plan. Though, the weld may be overkill... my Stag-1 was shipped with a pinned-only muzzle brake, and it's pretty permanent.

 

I just need a drill press and I am gtg with these changes.

I was under the impression that per the old 94 ban ATF rules, which seems to be the standard, that the weld was a requirement when pinning a Muzzle device. That said, i Could be wrong, but Everyone i know goes with the weld to be sure.

I was under the impression that per the old 94 ban ATF rules, which seems to be the standard, that the weld was a requirement when pinning a Muzzle device. That said, i Could be wrong, but Everyone i know goes with the weld to be sure.

 

Yeah. I might just send it to ADCO when done.

so could I have a flash suppressor if i have a pistolgrip stock? (it'd hafta be one piece with the bottom of the grip still in contact with the rest of the stock)

 

i've seen a few things done in cali to get through that....

 

any loopholes?

so could I have a flash suppressor if i have a pistolgrip stock? (it'd hafta be one piece with the bottom of the grip still in contact with the rest of the stock)

 

i've seen a few things done in cali to get through that....

 

any loopholes?

 

Probably but thse stocks are Gawd-Awful looking, and i dont know how well they are shting-wsie. Since the Hider would have to be pinned Anyway, Ahy nt go with a Comp or Brake that would actually benefit you??

so could I have a flash suppressor if i have a pistolgrip stock? (it'd hafta be one piece with the bottom of the grip still in contact with the rest of the stock)

 

i've seen a few things done in cali to get through that....

 

any loopholes?

 

Probably but thse stocks are Gawd-Awful looking, and i dont know how well they are shting-wsie. Since the Hider would have to be pinned Anyway, Ahy nt go with a Comp or Brake that would actually benefit you??

 

If he did get the "one piece" California style stock.. are you sure that the flashhider would need to be pinned?

 

I thought a flash hider or threaded barrel only counts as 1 evil feature.

 

(4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash

suppressor;

so could I have a flash suppressor if i have a pistolgrip stock? (it'd hafta be one piece with the bottom of the grip still in contact with the rest of the stock)

 

i've seen a few things done in cali to get through that....

 

any loopholes?

 

Probably but thse stocks are Gawd-Awful looking, and i dont know how well they are shting-wsie. Since the Hider would have to be pinned Anyway, Ahy nt go with a Comp or Brake that would actually benefit you??

 

If he did get the "one piece" California style stock.. are you sure that the flashhider would need to be pinned?

 

I thought a flash hider or threaded barrel only counts as 1 evil feature.

 

(4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash

suppressor;

Good point

Keep this in mind. My understanding is.. If you purchase a stripped lower and build your own AR-15, you can not sell it for 10 years!! Unless you have an FFL as a dealer would.

When you finish building it, be sure to get the muzzle device permanently attached.

 

Or don't put anything on the end of the barrel at all.

Keep this in mind. My understanding is.. If you purchase a stripped lower and build your own AR-15, you can not sell it for 10 years!! Unless you have an FFL as a dealer would.

 

Nonsense. You cant buy lowers to build up for the PURPOSE of later sale without being an FFL or SOT. There is nothing to say that you can't sell of any or all of your guns for any reason (other than specifically for profit as i said) if you have to for some reason. Anyway, the only part that matters is the lower...there is ZERO record of what you do with it, unless you build a pistol on it, which you cant here in NJ anyway (50 oz Rule). I know a guy who bought 24 Lowers in one shot (not NJ), he had a REALLY good deal and paid, IIRC around $45.00 each for them. HE got a visit from ATF, and he explained that he was an afficionado, had no intention of reselling but DID state clearly he was planning on doing builds for family members as gifts. ATF reminded him that SELLING those lowers, even privately would bring him up on their radar, and they went away satisfied that he wasnt playing "Backyard Dealer". Use your head and you wotn get in trouble. Act stupidly, and/or Ignorantly, and you will get your peepee whacked.

You cant buy lowers to build up for the PURPOSE of later sale without being an FFL or SOT. There is nothing to say that you can't sell of any or all of your guns for any reason (other than specifically for profit as i said) if you have to for some reason. Anyway, the only part that matters is the lower...there is ZERO record of what you do with it, unless you build a pistol on it, which you cant here in NJ anyway (50 oz Rule). I know a guy who bought 24 Lowers in one shot (not NJ), he had a REALLY good deal and paid, IIRC around $45.00 each for them. HE got a visit from ATF, and he explained that he was an afficionado, had no intention of reselling but DID state clearly he was planning on doing builds for family members as gifts. ATF reminded him that SELLING those lowers, even privately would bring him up on their radar, and they went away satisfied that he wasnt playing "Backyard Dealer". Use your head and you wotn get in trouble. Act stupidly, and/or Ignorantly, and you will get your peepee whacked.

 

Thank you for confirming what I posted. It is not cut and dry, and the ATF specifically watches for activity such as this. You are referencing an friend that doesn't live in NJ, so it is not a valid example. However, even at that, you have demonstrated that the ATF is looking for reasons to enforce the Backyard Dealer regulations. It is not nonsense. Please be aware that there are regulations and limitations with this kind of activity. You may get away with it once or twice, and you may be able to talk your way out of it, BUT, at least you need to know that ATF looks for this kind of activity.

You cant buy lowers to build up for the PURPOSE of later sale without being an FFL or SOT. There is nothing to say that you can't sell of any or all of your guns for any reason (other than specifically for profit as i said) if you have to for some reason. Anyway, the only part that matters is the lower...there is ZERO record of what you do with it, unless you build a pistol on it, which you cant here in NJ anyway (50 oz Rule). I know a guy who bought 24 Lowers in one shot (not NJ), he had a REALLY good deal and paid, IIRC around $45.00 each for them. HE got a visit from ATF, and he explained that he was an afficionado, had no intention of reselling but DID state clearly he was planning on doing builds for family members as gifts. ATF reminded him that SELLING those lowers, even privately would bring him up on their radar, and they went away satisfied that he wasnt playing "Backyard Dealer". Use your head and you wotn get in trouble. Act stupidly, and/or Ignorantly, and you will get your peepee whacked.

 

Thank you for confirming what I posted. It is not cut and dry, and the ATF specifically watches for activity such as this. You are referencing an friend that doesn't live in NJ, so it is not a valid example. However, even at that, you have demonstrated that the ATF is looking for reasons to enforce the Backyard Dealer regulations. It is not nonsense. Please be aware that there are regulations and limitations with this kind of activity. You may get away with it once or twice, and you may be able to talk your way out of it, BUT, at least you need to know that ATF looks for this kind of activity.

 

Well then i CERTAIN you can enlighten us to the Statute that gives the time limint YOU mentioned. I Know for certain it doesnt exist in NJ's Title 2C. And i have never heard of ANYTHING under 18USC that gives that number.

+1 to KPD, ill take the advice from an LEO than someone who got their law degree from an internet box

When you finish building it, be sure to get the muzzle device permanently attached. As well as pinning any "collapsible" stock you put on.

 

Why pay to have it done after the fact when you can buy parts already complient. It will save you considerable expense and time.