Carbine length: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-1 ... -m4-16.htm ($425)

Mid-length: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-M ... mid-16.htm ($425)

 

I'm in no way affiliated with BCM, I just know that a lot of you are considering builds, and I consider BCM high quality but very affordable. These uppers do not come with handguards, and would need to have work done to make them NJ compliant (have their bayo lugs removed and have an NJ compliant muzzle device perm attached). These sell out fast though, so, jump on it quickly if you're considering one for a build.

For anyone considering these, and if you're in the market for an upper, you really should be, keep in mind that these do not come with a BCG at the price shown. However, you can add the BCM BCG from the pulldown.

I have a BCM midlength upper (with a BCM BCG) and absolutely love it.

im sorry to bring this back to life, but i am very confused right now. i can not figure out what is a real difference between all of these UPG kits >>>>

 

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Please help 8)

1. BFH 16'' mid length (system): BFH means its a cold hammer forged barrel. Its debatable if this method is an improvement, and really a moot point for most users.

 

2. 16'' carbine length (system) in a light weight configuration: Light weight meaning the barrel is thinner (hence lighter)-- also known as the "pencil barrel." Its a recent trend, also done by a few other manufacturers (Daniel Defense off the top of my head). The thinner barrel does not affect accuracy or create heat issues. Yes, the barrel can get as hot, but it also cools off quicker.

 

3. M4-style 16'' carbine length (system): M4-style refers to the barrel's profile (the "M4 cuts")

 

4. 16'' mid length (system) in a light weight configuration: Same as above, but a mid-length system.

 

5. 16'' mid length (system): Plain-Jane 16'' mid length upper (probably the best value)

 

6. 20'' rifle length (system): Government profile; similar to what is used for M16A4 (as in its a flat top receiver)

 

The different systems [carbine, mid length, rifle] refer to the gas tube's length. The main difference here is that the longer the tube, the less wear and tear it puts on the tube and other parts of the system (over a comparable fixed time). Also, the longer the gas tube, the softer the rifle shoots (of course other factors are at play here too, like the different types of buffers and buffer springs). As of right now, mid lengths are the preferred as they bridge the gap by having a longer gas tube than a carbine, but in the same overall length as a "carbine" length system (meaning you can have a mid length gas tube in a 14.5/16'' upper).

 

They're all great choices. You missed out on listing the 14.5'' uppers. BCM now offers their 14.5'' uppers with permanently installed muzzle devices, three of which are NJ compliant: the two PWS muzzle brakes, and, just added, Battle comp 1.5s! So, check those out too.

oh wow Ben that super fast 8) . thank you so much. that is great great info.

i am doing my 1st AR build, so some of the things are still a lil confusing to me. from the start i wanted to build a rifle with 20" rifle, but now also looking at 16" since there are so many options available. i believe #5 (Plain-Jane 16'' mid length upper) shud fit my initial needs.

do you think it is a good idea to bypass couple of steps and just get this >>> AR-15 223/5.56 Orcus I Upper Assembly

towards the bottom of the page for $395 :

 

Yankee Hill Flattop Upper

Yankee Hill 1 in 7" twist 16.5” Chrome lined Steel Barrel

Yankee Hill Recoil Compensator

Hogue Rubberized Free-float forearm

Single Rail Gas Block

Stainless Steel Gas Tube

BCM is great value for the money. The company is not that well known beyond the inner community because its relatively new (and their primary focus has been uppers only until the past few years when they introduced lowers). However, the quality is top notch, as vetted by numerous industry professionals-- and the pricing is geared towards the consumer, not the brand! I believe I found BCM by accident, but gosh darn, I'm glad I did because I'm never looking back.

 

Yes, the BCM uppers you listed do not come with hand guards, and would need some after market work done to make them NJ compliant-- but both of those services (getting the bayonet lug removed and the muzzle device permanently attached) are provided here in state and out of state (BCM does not do custom orders, I've asked). Even though I run a railed hand guard system, I do love the idea of something like the Magpul MOE hand guards (http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG405/50). They are cost effective, and their quality has not suffered (they are made in carbine length and mid length).

 

Honestly, for uppers (as a whole), I stick with certain "brands": BCM, Colt, Daniel Defense, Noveske, LMT, White Oak Armament, JPE, and maybe Stag (I would include KAC, but they don't sell complete uppers, just rifles). Aside from those, I just feel like the quality does not justify the cost. Lowers are lowers are lowers, sure (though, Lower Parts Kits are not all equal), but uppers is what will make the difference.

 

Regarding your linked upper, I've never heard of that retailer actually-- so, I can't vet for their quality. As for the complete upper you noted, I would strongly suggest you consider other alternatives. I know its your money at the end of the day, but, for a bit more, there are solid, vetted, proven complete upper systems-- notably from BCM.

 

I'm sorry if some of this doesn't make sense, its late and my brain is a bit fried . If you need any more clarification/questions, ask away-- I'm sure others will add their insight as well.

copy that. again thank you for the great info.

so out of these 4 kits which do you think i should go with? :

 

2. 16'' carbine length (system) in a light weight configuration: Light weight meaning the barrel is thinner (hence lighter)-- also known as the "pencil barrel." Its a recent trend, also done by a few other manufacturers (Daniel Defense off the top of my head). The thinner barrel does not affect accuracy or create heat issues. Yes, the barrel can get as hot, but it also cools off quicker.

 

3. M4-style 16'' carbine length (system): M4-style refers to the barrel's profile (the "M4 cuts")

 

4. 16'' mid length (system) in a light weight configuration: Same as above, but a mid-length system.

 

5. 16'' mid length (system): Plain-Jane 16'' mid length upper (probably the best value)

Carbine length: <!-- m -->http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-1 ... -m4-16.htm<!-- m --> ($425)

Mid-length: <!-- m -->http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-M ... mid-16.htm<!-- m --> ($425)

 

I'm in no way affiliated with BCM, I just know that a lot of you are considering builds, and I consider BCM high quality but very affordable. These uppers do not come with handguards, and would need to have work done to make them NJ compliant (have their bayo lugs removed and have an NJ compliant muzzle device perm attached). These sell out fast though, so, jump on it quickly if you're considering one for a build.

 

 

I wasn't able to follow the link but went to Bravo's site and they have uppers for as low as $385 but some out of stock.

But really,. add to that $135 for BCG and charging handle and you are up to $510. and no hand guard. I run a few DPMS uppers and lowers and with the exception of the notoriously bad DPMS triggers they seem to work well. I've been buying from http://www.jsesurplus.com/index.aspx. But I shoot pretty plain jane rifles.

 

BTW every upper is headspaced and test fired from Bravo... But they are selling them without a BCG??? That doesn't make sense. I'd rather have my upper headspaced and test fired with the bolt I'm going to be shooting. Just my $.02

I wasn't able to follow the link but went to Bravo's site and they have uppers for as low as $385 but some out of stock.

But really,. add to that $135 for BCG and charging handle and you are up to $510. and no hand guard. I run a few DPMS uppers and lowers and with the exception of the notoriously bad DPMS triggers they seem to work well. I've been buying from http://www.jsesurplus.com/index.aspx. But I shoot pretty plain jane rifles.

 

BTW every upper is headspaced and test fired from Bravo... But they are selling them without a BCG??? That doesn't make sense. I'd rather have my upper headspaced and test fired with the bolt I'm going to be shooting. Just my $.02

With ARs, it's almost unnecessary as long as you have quality parts. A new barrel and a new bolt from any two quality manufacturers will drop in together fine. Headspacing problems from so-called "Tier 1" manufacturers are almost non-existent with this platform.

With ARs, it's almost unnecessary as long as you have quality parts. A new barrel and a new bolt from any two quality manufacturers will drop in together fine. Headspacing problems from so-called "Tier 1" manufacturers are almost non-existent with this platform.

 

Then why do they check the headspace?

 

My name is OLD SCHOOL!!

My name is OLD SCHOOL!!

We'll try to not hold it against you

We'll try to not hold it against you

 

But really Pete. What do you think about headspacing AR's?

But really Pete. What do you think about headspacing AR's?

I'm relatively new to all this, but before I bought my first AR, I spent a lot of time researching the technical side of ARs. The general consensus seems to be in line with what Ty said - not an issue with any of the top manufacturers with the understanding that the barrel, barrel extension and bolt are all in spec. So, while it may seem odd to not check headspace with the bolt that's going to be in the gun, the assumption is that if all the parts are in spec the chances of headspace being an issue are slim to none.

 

BCM has gotten quite the reputation in the last couple of years for putting out top notch products and at a very reasonable price when you factor in the quality of their products.

 

Full disclosure: I own a complete BCM upper and I'm quite fond of it

Back in stock!

 

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BCM%2DURG%2DM4%2D16

i do believe my next upper will be from BCM

Get 'em while you can. With Sabre being shuttered, they had to change barrel suppliers and supply of their uppers has been spotty recently. Their new supplier probably can't keep up with their demand

Get 'em while you can. With Sabre being shuttered, they had to change barrel suppliers and supply of their uppers has been spotty recently. Their new supplier probably can't keep up with their demand

 

Really? Bummer... :-(

Get 'em while you can. With Sabre being shuttered, they had to change barrel suppliers and supply of their uppers has been spotty recently. Their new supplier probably can't keep up with their demand

 

 

Ah, a sensible reasoning for this. A thread over on M4 basically said that the sky is falling and to buy all your ARs now because the President is going to take our guns, ammo, and mags. Also, that whole Mayan 2012 thing. Apparently the retailer that started the thread claims that no one can keep anything in stock because there's a huge buying rush. Or, the more logical reason as per Ty, that a major mfg was forced to shut down due to their own impropriety and is causing a shortage of goods. That, and the increase in cost of raw materials.

Ah, a sensible reasoning for this. A thread over on M4 basically said that the sky is falling and to buy all your ARs now because the President is going to take our guns, ammo, and mags. Also, that whole Mayan 2012 thing. Apparently the retailer that started the thread claims that no one can keep anything in stock because there's a huge buying rush. Or, the more logical reason as per Ty, that a major mfg was forced to shut down due to their own impropriety and is causing a shortage of goods. That, and the increase in cost of raw materials.

Yeah, I was never one to push the "Chicken Little" BS because when you step back and think logically, it doesn't make any sense.

And thats why i'll keep buying stuff from you, sir.

I just found that thread you were talking about on M4C and it confirmed who I thought had started it.