http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/ ... gIQaA.cspx

 

Seems to me like they had a legit reason to grab them, with no orange tips, am sure the buyers got them cheaper because the don't have them. But where the FAIL comes in is the claim that these things can be converted to actual weapons. I have no airsoft stuff, never used it, but I assume they are made out of cheap potted metal at best and lack any sort of functioning bolt & firing and feeding mechanisms for real cartridges. Or a barrel that will not turn to shrapnel. I'd think that if one were somehow to actually be able to get a cartridge to fire, it would be a one-time deal with the airsoft gun blowing up, rendering instant punsihment for stupidity. Anyone heard of such a thing?

it all depends on what your willing to pay, you could buy a systema airsoft gun http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/a ... odID=20546 and pay over a G for a high quality gun that some agencies use for training (Id buy a real gun for that price) as far as the conversion to a real weapon? i highly doubt that is possible.

it all depends on what your willing to pay, you could buy a systema airsoft gun http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/a ... odID=20546 and pay over a G for a high quality gun that some agencies use for training (Id buy a real gun for that price) as far as the conversion to a real weapon? i highly doubt that is possible.

 

 

there IS one gas-operated M4 rifle that uses actual M-16 FCG parts. With the caveat that i havent handled one and just saw a video that showed the lower. I SAW the fcg parts in the right orientation to each other. I would HOPE that there is enough dimensional changes that an upper wouldnt mate....but knowing how Utterly crazy some of the hardcore airsofters are for "Accuracy" i have to wonder if it isnt close enough.

seems like a bunch of asshats with nothing better to do.

 

all time and money that could be spent busting someone who has a bunch of real unregistered/stolen firearms in their trunk instead of seizing and destroying toys. :clap:

 

i have a very realistic airsoft handgun: link

got it a few years ago since i wasn't 21 and couldn't get a real one yet. plenty of fun to play with in my room but to consider it ever firing real ammo? don't think it would be possible and if it were it would NOT be "minimal work"

seems like a bunch of asshats with nothing better to do.

 

all time and money that could be spent busting someone who has a bunch of real unregistered/stolen firearms in their trunk instead of seizing and destroying toys. :clap:

 

i have a very realistic airsoft handgun: link

got it a few years ago since i wasn't 21 and couldn't get a real one yet. plenty of fun to play with in my room but to consider it ever firing real ammo? don't think it would be possible and if it were it would NOT be "minimal work"

 

Hey any update on your application?

seems like a bunch of asshats with nothing better to do.

 

all time and money that could be spent busting someone who has a bunch of real unregistered/stolen firearms in their trunk instead of seizing and destroying toys. :clap:

 

i have a very realistic airsoft handgun: link

got it a few years ago since i wasn't 21 and couldn't get a real one yet. plenty of fun to play with in my room but to consider it ever firing real ammo? don't think it would be possible and if it were it would NOT be "minimal work"

 

 

And the article isnt talking about a handgun. the article is talking about a specific Greeen-gas operated M-4 lookalike that dissasembles into 2 parts. One of which is a lower that down to the Different company markings available (Larue, LMT,Colt) is Visually IDENTICAL to a standard lower.... to the point of a buffer and spring, with all of the valving and "airsoft" parts located in the $90.00 magazine and the VERY accurate BCG. This is also not some even $300.00 AEG airsoft, these run for almost a thousand dollars apeice.

It seems to me he was playing with fire, had a shipment come in with no orange tip.

they let him paint them once, I am sure they were not going to make a habbit of that..

 

I think it was a good call on the batf and i am sure they were watching for his shipment since they had previously had a problem, the tips are to be marked for importation, if you let it become a pattern adventualy a shipment of the real thing would get through.

If im not mistaken airsoft guns are declared non firearms by federal law. They hang the importers over copyright infringement issues and there is an orange tip requirement for importation I believe. However, since they are federally declared non firearms I fail to see the rationale of ATF's involvement. The only case I could see are real guns with a painted orange tip.

I don't understand why a more expensive one would change the fact that its a toy. Shane is right federal law categorizes airsoft guns as toys so either they changed the T in ATF to stand for Toys or they are sticking their nose where it doesn't belong

 

 

This is also not some even $300.00 AEG airsoft, these run for almost a thousand dollars apeice.

seized a shipment of 30 in October. That shipment is worth around $12,000

$12,000/30=$400

I don't understand why a more expensive one would change the fact that its a toy. Shane is right federal law categorizes airsoft guns as toys so either they changed the T in ATF to stand for Toys or they are sticking their nose where it doesn't belong

 

 

This is also not some even $300.00 AEG airsoft, these run for almost a thousand dollars apeice.

seized a shipment of 30 in October. That shipment is worth around $12,000

$12,000/30=$400

 

 

So you tell me, is it STILL a toy when you hang a LIVE Upper on it????

Hanging a live upper on it and making it do something are two different things. I just cant see it.

Anyone have a link to a pic/breakdown of these rifles? I'm curious to see what the hubbub is all about.

you would think that they are toys, however in many of them, the lower.... is nearly identical to an actual ar lower. I played around with some, and it was very difficult to tell the difference just by the feel of the parts.

Anyone have a link to a pic/breakdown of these rifles? I'm curious to see what the hubbub is all about.

 

From another site..but it DOES give the maker and model of the Airsofr I was thinking about.

 

Everyone and their mother is getting hung up on the latest episode of the ATF in which they're seizing Airsoft toys. With much wailing and gnashing of teeth, everyone is crying foul over it when they don't fully understand the situation.

 

Here are the facts:

 

- the airsoft lowers in question will fit a standard upper receiver

- most are dimensionally the same as an M16 receiver

- most will accept an M16 trigger pack & sear, generally with little or no fitting*

 

*Please note, by fitting, I mean enlarging an existing hole with a dremel or press. Not rocket science or advanced manufacturing processes by any stretch, and far easier than having to plot a sear pin hole and hogging out a high shelf receiver.

 

 

 

Here are the arguments offered by the Airsoft importers: