1st off I'M Not pissed and not crying

and I know I have posted this before we are a new site and just dont want it to turn into NJH or craigslist !

 

I buy and sell as a part of my hobby and do it for fun NOTE "HOBBY"

And by low ball its not 20 or 30 bucks its a stupid low offer of a fare priced item and may I ad rude offers like "how about $xxxx"

I place things here before any other we all know a FTF is simple.

 

The dollar amounts I listed are just a reference .

 

1st of all the site is great made some deals as buyer or seller and all members I have met are nice people and I even made some friends off the site.

 

If you have somthing for sale for lets say 400.00 and some one sends you a PM offering 275.00 what the hell ?

 

Guys if the ad doesnt have "or BO" (or best offer) dont send it why do some people feel the need to try and low ball the seller .

 

We all look for the great deal but it gets Insulting !

 

Maybe send a message like can I make an offer on your item .

 

So Rant over :violin: :violin:

Ted I have learned that no matter where you go there will ALWAYS be people who lowball you. I've just recently just decided that when I get those offers I will just ignore them instead of getting uppity about them.

 

M

Time wasters-this a buyer who asks you take pictures so they can see different angles of the item, asks you for reviews of the item, asks you why you are getting rid of it, how long have you had the item, they are from a different state and that they may come back to your area for your item, asks you for a trade that clearly benefits them even though you stated "cash only" in your ad, ask you for a phone number, ask you to hold the item and dont call you and cant even send you an email saying that they dont want the item

 

price if firm=that means the price in the ad is what the seller wants for the item

 

price is negotiable=that means that the seller and possible buyer can discuss a price that is suitable for both parties.

 

low baller= that is someone who sees an item for one price and sends an email saying they will pay a much smaller amount. For example: the price is $100 the low baller

scumbag would email seller and would type "I'll give you $25 for it". Then she/he usually gets mad at seller cause he/she wont sell the item at the low price

 

tire kicker=that is someone who comes by to look at the item after agreeing on a price then looks at item and starts saying there are some many issues with item (even there is not or the issues were already known to buyer) so that they could drive the price down and try to get it cheaper.

 

A scammer is someone who emails you saying they will pay with money or gives you two numbers so you call and your phone gets charged $10 for just dialing the numbers.

 

The "I am a loser cause I dont have a job/car".. I would love to buy your_____ but I dont have a car, can you come here and I will buy it off you?" And then gets mad because you wont deliver the item to them because you know their address is an actual crack house and you dont want to get stabbed or shot for you $20 video game.

 

Hopefully the lowballers, scammers, and tire kickers read this and maybe be more considerate but they probably wont.

Ted I have learned that no matter where you go there will ALWAYS be people who lowball you. I've just recently just decided that when I get those offers I will just ignore them instead of getting uppity about them.

 

M

 

I reply to all "thanks but I will pass"

 

I try not to be rude to my neighbors

don't know why you would be insulted.. i have been CRAZY lowballed in selling things.. i actually PREFER that people send all offers even if i dont ask for them.. i just bought a Mustang that was "firm" on the price.. after some negotiation the car went home with me for about 300 less.. why? because it was fair and it was close enough to the sellers price that he wanted to make a move..

 

the ONLY issue i have is these scumbags that AGREE on a price.. then show up and play the old "yeah we agreed on $xxx but after seeing it im really thinking that i dont want to spend more than $xx.. do you want to sell it or what???" THAT pisses me off.. because its a time waster.. the 5 seconds its takes to reply to a PM telling someone no im sorry thats too low.. is really not all that aggravating.. and besides it might tell me that my item is a listed a little too high if i get 4 or 5 offers all about the same amount under.. and i also have a list of people who might be interested if i change my mind and get willing to go down in price..

Asking 400, getting offered 275, I wouldn't call insulting. Maybe the seller is asking high side, bidder offering too low, however the price is truly somewhere in between.

 

And quite honestly, if you are really interested in buying the item at the full price, it would be stupid not to offer a bit less anyway, you never know.

 

if I was the seller, and my item was priced too high, I would rather get a lowball offer and know about it than not. If the lowball offer is the only one you are getting, maybe, just maybe, the market is trying to tell you something. Lastly, look at gunbroker. Market Value and true value to you, are often quite different.

I agree with Ted on this one. I have sold many items on other boards and find it insulting when someone really low balls you. If I am willing to negotiate, I will mention it. If someone sends me a reasonable offer, that is ok but keep it private, not posted on the main board. I sold a bolt mismatch documented bringback k98 a couple of years ago for a reasonable price of $550, and a guy posted on the board that since the bolt mismatched that it wouldn't be worth much more than a Russian capture and offered $200 for it. Now that I find insulting. When I sell stuff, I make my prices very reasonable, don't insult me by low balling me especially in public.

I agree with Ted on this one. I have sold many items on other boards and find it insulting when someone really low balls you. If I am willing to negotiate, I will mention it. If someone sends me a reasonable offer, that is ok but keep it private, not posted on the main board. I sold a bolt mismatch documented bringback k98 a couple of years ago for a reasonable price of $550, and a guy posted on the board that since the bolt mismatched that it wouldn't be worth much more than a Russian capture and offered $200 for it. Now that I find insulting. When I sell stuff, I make my prices very reasonable, don't insult me by low balling me especially in public.

 

 

the first step in negotiation is the offer to you the seller..

 

This item is $500

i want it but not at $500 how about $400

well i really wanted $500 but im willing to knock of $25 and ill do $475

ok well how about we meet in the middle and agree on $450

ok deal..

 

what the hell is insulting about someone wanting something that you are selling and trying to buy it within their means.. times are tight for everyone.. Nick308 is a GREAT guy.. and we have argued back and forth over like $20 i think.. lol it was NOT that i thought the item he was offering wasnt worth it.. its just that i as the buyer need to make EVERY dollar count.. maybe you are more of a big spender with a thick wallet, so the idea of offering so much less is very foreign to you... if so i understand.. but i ask you to please understand that not all of us share that same luxury..

I think his issue is that he's selling stuff and asking a fair/reasonable price and getting low balled and his time wasted.

Negotiating is one thing, thats 1/2 the fun, but making an unreasonable offer and hoping or trying to sucker someone is a whole nother story. Times are tough for everyone and if they can't afford it,, well,,, they cant afford it

thick wallet LOL your killing me

 

when some one offers you half when your starting price is market value thats insulting to me.

20 bucks here or there makes the deal fun.

 

I'm not one with a thick wallet here I was laid off for 6 month last year and took a part time job at half of what I was making and did side jobs on the week ends then landed a job for 10 grand less a year and I'm happy with that so dont go there.

 

If the item is beyond your means dont buy it or maybe ask the guy to take a deposit to hold it for you I have had this done for me and have done it for others .

 

Heres the type of guy I am I had a guy buy a $110.00 gun from me I would have came down 10 or 20 but he didnt ask we talked a while and he left with the gun and 50 or 60 bucks in reloading supplies free.

 

I'm not looking to bicker here I just wanted to point out theres a better way to work out a deal I find if you establish a rapport with the seller it works wonders for the deal in hand and future.

I don't see why you should be upset about someone offering to buy an item that you have for sale, regardless of that offer. In fact if you feel their offer is such a lowball, then counter equally. In your case try replying that you'll sell for $390. You may find that the buyer may come up to your price and you get that sale for minimally less than your asking price.

I'm not upset I just wanted to point out respect for each other.

 

But the fat wallet is still killing me

I think I came home today with $3.oo in my pocket so if anything I'm smiling

Just crank up your prices in the original ad. That's what used car dealer's do.

 

He who mentions a price first always looses in negotiating, so make your first number fake.

When I worked in a union job (police department) many moons ago, we were in contract negotiations and I made our delegate put on the table that I wanted 3 ply toilet paper. We currently had 1 ply toilet paper. They negotiated down to 2 ply, which is what I really looking for.

 

Similar to what CSJ is saying, I think.

When I worked in a union job (police department) many moons ago, we were in contract negotiations and I made our delegate put on the table that I wanted 3 ply toilet paper. We currently had 1 ply toilet paper. They negotiated down to 2 ply, which is what I really looking for.

 

Similar to what CSJ is saying, I think.

 

I think we need to hang out more.

I was tired of my fingers breaking through all the time.

 

I told them we would use less TP because it would be thicker. Wouldn't have to wrap it around our hands 100 times to ensure proper coverage.

I was tired of my fingers breaking through all the time.

 

My brain partially exploded with all the matt jokes that could be made from this line.

I am still in that camp... let people offer you whatever, it is up to you to accept it or not.

 

And please... a waste of time? 30 seconds or less to reply to a private message saying "thanks for your offer, but it is way tooo low."

 

Its a BS excuse.

 

Having someone agree to a price, come to visit, check it out, and not go through for something stupid, that I absolutely agree with, is a waste, however... it is something you have to consider in sales.

 

Most guys up here are stand up guys.

 

Last bit about low ball offers.

 

Sometime last year, when the forum was just starting, I had an opportunity to pick up two handguns at a steal of a price. Seller sold me 2 handguns, for 1/2 of what they were worth. Why? Because he didnt want the hassel of selling seperately, and just wanted to get rid of them that day.

 

On the flip side.... during the obama rush, people were willing to pay twice over my cost for some wasr's.

 

its a two way street guys.

 

Last thought on "market price."

 

Market price is the price someone is willing to buy your item for. If similar items sold for more in the past, but when you try to sell yours and cannot get that price anymore, guess what, that market price was high, and has since gone down. The new price is what someone will pay for it.

 

Ie, I have had a gun up on gunbroker for about a month now... and I have it priced $250 dollars below what they sold for new when it was bought, and now about $150 over what it is new now.... It isnt selling, so I know my price in today's market is too high.

 

I am sure someone would offer $100 for a $1000 gun, but to me, it is worth hanging onto at that point. =P

 

ok, done with my rant. lol.

 

If you get a lowball offer in private, ignore it. if you get an incredibly stupid offer in public, on here, say $100 for a $1,000 gun, dont get mad, just alert the mods, we will delete it.

WARNING: This has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

 

I just saw a commercial on TV for an anti-depressant prescription drug. One of the side effects is increased thoughts of suicide.

 

WTF?

 

OK, back on topic. Thanks.

WARNING: This has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

 

I just saw a commercial on TV for an anti-depressant prescription drug. One of the side effects is increased thoughts of suicide.

 

WTF?

 

OK, back on topic. Thanks.

 

at least you will not be depressed. =P

yeah but when you have something listed for 1200 dollars and someone offers you 500 dollars, that's an insult plan and simple.

WARNING: This has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

 

I just saw a commercial on TV for an anti-depressant prescription drug. One of the side effects is increased thoughts of suicide.

 

WTF?

 

OK, back on topic. Thanks.

 

 

to complement your normal thoughts of suicide?

yeah but when you have something listed for 1200 dollars and someone offers you 500 dollars, that's an insult plan and simple.

 

Not if you're the only who thinks the item is worth 1200 dollars. In fact, the argument could be made that you're wasting the forum's time if you set a price outrageously high

yeah but when you have something listed for 1200 dollars and someone offers you 500 dollars, that's an insult plan and simple.

 

Not if you're the only who thinks the item is worth 1200 dollars. In fact, the argument could be made that you're wasting the forum's time if you set a price outrageously high

 

 

lol. lets let this die.

 

The forum as a whole knows the value.... if it is public, the person will get hammered, if it is private. just ignore it.

 

done. =P

yeah but when you have something listed for 1200 dollars and someone offers you 500 dollars, that's an insult plan and simple.

 

Not if you're the only who thinks the item is worth 1200 dollars. In fact, the argument could be made that you're wasting the forum's time if you set a price outrageously high

 

 

lol. lets let this die.

 

The forum as a whole knows the value.... if it is public, the person will get hammered, if it is private. just ignore it.

 

done. =P

 

Agreed... just now.

yeah but when you have something listed for 1200 dollars and someone offers you 500 dollars, that's an insult plan and simple.

 

Not if you're the only who thinks the item is worth 1200 dollars. In fact, the argument could be made that you're wasting the forum's time if you set a price outrageously high

 

Ahhh but that was most definitely not the case. And even if it was, it's still insulting to offer someone half of their asking price.

Just quit your bitching !!!!! Research what your selling first Then ask for a fair market price. This is why I do not post too much . Had A post WTB deleted for no apparent reason, other than i have not posted a lot on this board. and got Tipical for PRNJ.

Have Fun and stay safe

i agree with damagedworld i rarely pay asking price one everything, not that i don't have the money but there's always wiggle room. people anticipate getting low balled to they market up the price......

Now Thats Funny