well... today made your case a little bit better... i'd say pick a poster child and everyone chips in for their legal fees...

yeah so where does it start.. I would think that there are HUNDREDS of people out there just waiting for that ruling..

I dunno man, some could argue legal firearm owners in this state are looking for a handout, or feel entitled they deserve something when it comes to laws for us changing.. The apathy is so deep here, that you can't get anything going.

 

We need to find more non-apathetic youths, preferably younger people in their early 20's, who haven't been sitting around with their thumbs up their asses for years not getting anything done. Taking 5 minutes out of your busy schedule to send just a quick email to your senators, I don't care if it's a sentence long, it's something and they at least know your for it in this state. Here's an idea, we can make a topic, that just bashes people who don't write their senators, eventually I think it will get attention and get people writing or calling. Kens post confirms that most of us are on the same page for what we want to see in this state, and for the first time in (seems like my life) we have backing of the U.S. Supreme Court.

if this forum grows another 9000 members, maybe we can start a 1 dollar a month contribution to maksim, and put our money where our mouths are. With the money we can put together a nice little pot to help contribute to pro 2A candidates, or something along those lines. Speed up the process by getting the forum out their by mouth, or by wearing gear or bumper stickers to big events in NJ. Sporting events, concerts, raceways, ranges, police stations (when you go to fill out your paperwork), townhall meetings, ect.

I'd give 10 dollars a month now!

I been kicking around a thought in my head...and to me it would seem that

jewish,hindu and asian residents in nj are becoming regular targets of violent crimes lately....if you can get these groups to push for ccw; it could help

make trenton atleast consider the idea...or better yet push for a constitutional amendment vote for ccw in nov.

a ccw vote in november wouldn't be pretty in a state like NJ that is filled with yuppies

a ccw vote in november wouldn't be pretty in a state like NJ that is filled with yuppies

 

i would agree..but then one of the usual suspects will be in to say how disgusting it is and that we are defeatists riding the coatails of the people who are REALLy working for our rights..... :roll:

 

Some folks wont accept that the majority of the population of this state are sheep that belive whatever crap the media feeds them about guns. ALL you need to do is read some of the responses on NJ.com after gun articles. the "Pro" comments are far fewer than the antis.

a ccw vote in november wouldn't be pretty in a state like NJ that is filled with yuppies

 

i would agree..but then one of the usual suspects will be in to say how disgusting it is and that we are defeatists riding the coatails of the people who are REALLy working for our rights..... :roll:

 

Some folks wont accept that the majority of the population of this state are sheep that belive whatever crap the media feeds them about guns. ALL you need to do is read some of the responses on NJ.com after gun articles. the "Pro" comments are far fewer than the antis.

 

+1000000000000000000000 .........

 

yeah the people stick out too when you talk to them, they have an ass backwards thinking process... ohhhh everything is bush's fault... ohhh global warming is coming put on your tin foil hat... the oil spill is all BP's fault burn them at the stake... blah blah blah.. I can't stand these people, but if you tend to just nod along with the crap they are spewing ... obama is for the people man shit.. blah blah blah they tend to just shut the fuck up and move on. Then you find out they vote and your like fuuuuuuuuuuuuk this guy votes (in your head).

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Some folks wont accept that the majority of the population of this state are sheep that belive whatever crap the media feeds them about guns. ALL you need to do is read some of the responses on NJ.com after gun articles. the "Pro" comments are far fewer than the antis.

 

how bout' whenever an article shows up related to guns, a link is posted here

so everyone can go to it and post non-emoitional reasons and or facts supporting less restrictive laws as a way to educate the sheep....

the pro side needs to be heard more; but also what I see is, many people dont even pay attention to the world around them as long as they have money to live as they see fit...my boss recently climbed down my throat

after I mentioned scotus last week..He didnt know about it at all;so I explained it best I could; thats when he went off.....

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Some folks wont accept that the majority of the population of this state are sheep that belive whatever crap the media feeds them about guns. ALL you need to do is read some of the responses on NJ.com after gun articles. the "Pro" comments are far fewer than the antis.

 

how bout' whenever an article shows up related to guns, a link is posted here

so everyone can go to it and post non-emoitional reasons and or facts supporting less restrictive laws as a way to educate the sheep....

the pro side needs to be heard more; but also what I see is, many people dont even pay attention to the world around them as long as they have money to live as they see fit...my boss recently climbed down my throat

after I mentioned scotus last week..He didnt know about it at all;so I explained it best I could; thats when he went off.....

 

I think most of them Do actually get posted here. Mak is pretty on top of things as are a few others.

Some folks wont accept that the majority of the population of this state are sheep that belive whatever crap the media feeds them about guns. ALL you need to do is read some of the responses on NJ.com after gun articles. the "Pro" comments are far fewer than the antis.

 

How about it doesn't fuckin matter what "sheep" think of guns?

 

It is a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. It is an individual right, unconnected with service in a militia, that applies to the states.

 

They are no longer privileges to deny but rights to respect. It doesn't matter what spoon fed mass media sound bytes people believe when a federal court/SCOTUS strikes down a bullshit may issue law.

 

Let the legal challenges begin. Let the "sheep" bitch and moan about wild west gun battles. Let a federal court/SCOTUS rule in 2A favor yet again. Let them cry and scream and lock the doors.

 

And let them look like idiots with a foot in their mouth when a year after permits get issued, the world is still spinning, the sun is still shining, and the crime rate has not skyrocketed. Just like what happened in Nebraska and Missouri in the last couple years when they introduced CCW.

I realize that the great hope is for New Jersey to join the rest of the country

with a reasonable ccw law, but one avenue might be to have the state

recognize the permits of other states. A number of us have permits from

Florida, Utah etc. This would get one foor in the door in a more timely

manner then waiting for Trenton to get moving on a real ccw law.

Look up interstate reciprocity. It has been proposed as a national CCW. I think this is the best bill to back.

As much as I would like to believe mcdonnald will bitch slap NJ, I think the only way NJ will be a shall-issue state is if / when there is a national CCW law or a large supreme court case on CCW (as of now both, are not on the docket...)

As much as I would like to believe mcdonnald will **** slap NJ, I think the only way NJ will be a shall-issue state is if / when there is a national CCW law or a large supreme court case on CCW (as of now both, are not on the docket...)

 

 

IIRC 2AF had it on the list. Next up for Gura is NC's Law prohibiting anyone to be armed outside their home during a state of Emergency.

This case will define the future of "Shall Issue" for New Jersey, Its been posted on NJGunForums as well in some other threads and discussed.

 

http://www.njgunowners.org/2010/07/saf- ... quirement/

This case will define the future of "Shall Issue" for New Jersey, Its been posted on NJGunForums as well in some other threads and discussed.

 

http://www.njgunowners.org/2010/07/saf- ... quirement/

 

 

it was also posted here...by me.

This case will define the future of "Shall Issue" for New Jersey, Its been posted on NJGunForums as well in some other threads and discussed.

 

http://www.njgunowners.org/2010/07/saf- ... quirement/

 

question is do we sue to? or sit on our hands?

This case will define the future of "Shall Issue" for New Jersey, Its been posted on NJGunForums as well in some other threads and discussed.

 

http://www.njgunowners.org/2010/07/saf- ... quirement/

 

question is do we sue to? or sit on our hands?

 

I would wait and let Alan Gura do his thing. That is what I am doing.

Case needs to be ruled on before we take action against NJ. If NY falls, it'll only be a matter of time before NJ falls too.

This case will define the future of "Shall Issue" for New Jersey, Its been posted on NJGunForums as well in some other threads and discussed.

 

http://www.njgunowners.org/2010/07/saf- ... quirement/

 

question is do we sue to? or sit on our hands?

 

I would wait and let Alan Gura do his thing. That is what I am doing.

 

 

Let's define "wait."

 

Wait could mean do nothing, but the Marines have a saying, "Anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing."

 

Here's my definition of "wait."

 

Gather a list of people who are interested in being plaintiffs in a lawsuit, should one be filed.

Speak to as many attorneys as possible for advice and guidance.

Choose the best approach.

Create a step by step process.

Then, as soon as the timing is optimal, based on all the research and feedback from council, execute the plan. Whether that is before or after Gura completes his suit in NY would be decided at the right moment.

 

Everything above could take a year. To me, waiting does not mean do nothing, it means prepare as much as possible and make the decision based on the best data and the best advice at the right moment.

Let's define "wait."

 

Wait could mean do nothing, but the Marines have a saying, "Anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing."

 

Here's my definition of "wait."

 

Gather a list of people who are interested in being plaintiffs in a lawsuit, should one be filed.

Speak to as many attorneys as possible for advice and guidance.

Choose the best approach.

Create a step by step process.

Then, as soon as the timing is optimal, based on all the research and feedback from council, execute the plan. Whether that is before or after Gura completes his suit in NY would be decided at the right moment.

 

Everything above could take a year. To me, waiting does not mean do nothing, it means prepare as much as possible and make the decision based on the best data and the best advice at the right moment.

 

 

 

One of my favorites!

I agree...we have to be proactive, not reactive.....We in the 'communities' 'Ocean County Gun' club want everyone who wants to be proactive and start a process as 'smity' outlined to join in so we can ALL make a difference. If not, just keep on posting and talking and waiting.......The SCOTUS decision is the turning point for us...we don't need NY's decision to MOVE AHEAD!!!

 

Keep preaching, but more importantly, bring them to the range!

 

That's the only way to herd the sheep, err ... change the public's mind. I have personally invited friends to the range. At first they hesitate, but once there they enjoy the new sport!

I've been trying for years to get people to hit the range...

some avoid me, some use friendly sarcasm to display thier view on guns,

some have even berrated me about owning a gun ...some have said; thats cool you own a gun,but its not for me.

Maybe you look menacing!

some have even berrated me about owning a gun ...

 

 

Sorry, but I would tell them to go f*ck themselves. Then I'd ask them, if they were in Germany in the 30's, would they have been standing next to Hitler demanding the disarming of the public.

some have even berrated me about owning a gun ...

 

 

Sorry, but I would tell them to go f*ck themselves. Then I'd ask them, if they were in Germany in the 30's, would they have been standing next to Hitler demanding the disarming of the public.

 

That's not how you get to be the popular gun guy around the block! You are in Nu Jehsey! You have a party with beer kegs and pizza and then everyone burps and goes home. Duh. Oh, then you talk to them the next day or two or months or years ... shish.

some times I say "your really quite emotional ---are'nt you",,

its better to remain unaffected by rediculous replies so it cant be said

your dangerous to be around by over reacting to anti sentiments...

as crazy as it sounds ;if all the people I know owned a gun ;I'd only feel safe around 1 guy, the rest would make me nervous...