Saiga is done with the exception of finding a good surefire mount..

 

 

Saiga 7.62 X 39

ACE Stock (US Made)

Tapco Saw Pistol Grip (US Made)

ACE Internal Block (US Made)

Tapco FCG (US Made)

Surefire 15 Round Magazines (US Made) (NJ Limit)

Ultimak Gas Tube (US Made)

Ultimak Tri Rail (US Made)

Ultimak Rail covers (US Made)

Aimpoint H1 4MOA Reflex Sight (US Made)

Awesome looking Saiga! :clap:

 

The only thing I did to my 7.62 is to change the sporter stock to the skeletonized one. I'm still debating on doing a restoration. I'll probably do that later on.

That Saiga is looking good, DW!

 

Couple questions - does the top ultimak rail work with a stock Saiga handguard? Does the H1 cowitness with the sights?

 

When say surefire mount, I'm guessing you mean for a light? Have you looked at the VTAC mount? Relatively inexepensive:

http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_lightmount.html

 

Or maybe the DD offset?

http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop ... duct_id=33

Awesome looking Saiga! :clap:

 

The only thing I did to my 7.62 is to change the sporter stock to the skeletonized one. I'm still debating on doing a restoration. I'll probably do that later on.

 

Thanks for the compliment!

 

do the restoration NOW.. it is without question the BEST money you can spend on a Saiga.. totally changes the weapons handling, and firing.. 8-)

 

That Saiga is looking good, DW!

 

Couple questions - does the top ultimak rail work with a stock Saiga handguard? Does the H1 cowitness with the sights?

 

When say surefire mount, I'm guessing you mean for a light? Have you looked at the VTAC mount? Relatively inexepensive:

http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_lightmount.html

 

Or maybe the DD offset?

http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop ... duct_id=33

 

 

it is my understanding that it will work, but involves some trimming and cutting..

 

absolute AWESOME TRUE co-witness no problem! and it LOOKS like you can achieve a similar co-witness with that Bushnell micro dot.. and that thing is about half the cost as the Aimpoint.. so if someone was looking for something cheaper.. i think that MIGHT be a good second choice.. also appears to be getting good reviews..

 

and yes like both.. would LIKE something quick disconnect with like a lever so i can easily take it on and off.. and yeah thats the kind of mounts I am looking into!

 

thanks for the other positive feedback! its appreciated.. gun is much easier to maneuver without the larger Aimpoint out front..

I'm very interested in this!!! You've a lot more money than me, cause I couldn't afford the Saiga I wanted ,so I bought a Serbian Zastava, and I couldn't afford an Aimpoint so I got an NcStar...

 

However I am extremely happy with the rifle, and it's pretty much as good as the $1000-$2000 AK's out there, so I am thinking I might buy a better optic! Could you tell me all about your decision/process for getting it/etc. or could I PM you/ even better Email you?

 

Thanks!

I'm very interested in this!!! You've a lot more money than me, cause I couldn't afford the Saiga I wanted ,so I bought a Serbian Zastava, and I couldn't afford an Aimpoint so I got an NcStar...

 

However I am extremely happy with the rifle, and it's pretty much as good as the $1000-$2000 AK's out there, so I am thinking I might buy a better optic! Could you tell me all about your decision/process for getting it/etc. or could I PM you/ even better Email you?

 

Thanks!

 

you can PM me sure.. or just post any questions you have and I would be more than happy to help you just like everyone else here would..

 

the BEST cheap optic setup I can see.. would be the following as I suggested in your thread..

 

if you want a reflex sight and dont want to spend a TON..

maybe this

 

bushnell trs-25 (seems to get good reviews and is a clone of the H-1 I run on my gun)

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-1x ... 31303.html

 

coupled with an Ultimak rail

http://ultimak.com/M1-b.htm

 

if your gas tube HAPPENS to be the same as a Saiga i have an Ultimak gas tube that I am selling now..

 

don't cheap out when it comes to optics.. or you will end up with parts that fail, lose zero, and basically just cause problems..

 

 

we will have to check and see if the Ultimak works with the PAP.... and that Bushnell piece looks like its getting good reviews...

 

so those 2 together would cost you a little over $200 and be a pretty stable solid setup..

 

If you have any other questions just throw them out there.. we will help!

Saiga is done with the exception of finding a good surefire mount..

 

 

Saiga 7.62 X 39

ACE Stock (US Made)

Tapco Saw Pistol Grip (US Made)

ACE Internal Block (US Made)

Tapco FCG (US Made)

Surefire 15 Round Magazines (US Made) (NJ Limit)

Ultimak Gas Tube (US Made)

Ultimak Tri Rail (US Made)

Ultimak Rail covers (US Made)

Aimpoint H1 4MOA Reflex Sight (US Made)

 

 

DW thats a very nice set up. i like it a lot. if u dont mind me askin >> how much did it cost u to put it together?

I LIKE! I LIKE IT ALOT! can you post some more pics? she looks very light, not bulky and heavy like the other evil black ones i have seen... im still not done with mine, still in the middle of classic style build. dw with that build your making me wanna go to the dark side! :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: quick question that forearm gaurd is it plastic or metal?

Saiga is done with the exception of finding a good surefire mount..

 

 

Saiga 7.62 X 39

ACE Stock (US Made)

Tapco Saw Pistol Grip (US Made)

ACE Internal Block (US Made)

Tapco FCG (US Made)

Surefire 15 Round Magazines (US Made) (NJ Limit)

Ultimak Gas Tube (US Made)

Ultimak Tri Rail (US Made)

Ultimak Rail covers (US Made)

Aimpoint H1 4MOA Reflex Sight (US Made)

 

 

DW thats a very nice set up. i like it a lot. if u dont mind me askin >> how much did it cost u to put it together?

 

Saiga 7.62 X 39 - $400

ACE Stock (US Made) - $80

Tapco Saw Pistol Grip (US Made) - $20

ACE Internal Block (US Made) - $40

Tapco FCG (US Made) - $50

Surefire 15 Round Magazines (US Made) (NJ Limit) - $30

Ultimak Gas Tube (US Made) - $100

Ultimak Tri Rail (US Made) - $225

Ultimak Rail covers (US Made) - $44

Aimpoint H1 4MOA Reflex Sight (US Made) - $540

 

so roughly $1500 give or take a little.. BUT everything on that rifle is as top shelf as you can go in the AK world..

I LIKE! I LIKE IT ALOT! can you post some more pics? she looks very light, not bulky and heavy like the other evil black ones i have seen... im still not done with mine, still in the middle of classic style build. dw with that build your making me wanna go to the dark side! :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: quick question that forearm gaurd is it plastic or metal?

 

 

it's metal, but not really all that heavy..

 

DAMN! THAT IS SO FREAKIN NICE! NICE PIC BY THE WAY! dont show no more!!! thats enough seriously!

Nice optic, I like it a lot better than the previous setup.

 

How much does that all come out to loaded? This one is 9.5lbs loaded

 

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Nice optic, I like it a lot better than the previous setup.

 

How much does that all come out to loaded? This one is 9.5lbs loaded

 

I like it a LOT better to!

 

10.6lbs with everything fully loaded with 30 rounds of wolf.. (this is TWO 15rd magazines clamped together (NJ has 15 round mag capacity limit))

Nice optic, I like it a lot better than the previous setup.

 

How much does that all come out to loaded? This one is 9.5lbs loaded

 

I like it a LOT better to!

 

10.6lbs with everything fully loaded with 30 rounds of wolf.. (this is TWO 15rd magazines clamped together

 

Awesome, thanks. Not too heavy at all.

 

(NJ has 15 round mag capacity limit))

 

No way??? Really?

dw i know your gonna put a really nice muzzle brake, but which one we gotta know!

Saiga is done with the exception of finding a good surefire mount..

 

 

Saiga 7.62 X 39

ACE Stock (US Made)

Tapco Saw Pistol Grip (US Made)

ACE Internal Block (US Made)

Tapco FCG (US Made)

Surefire 15 Round Magazines (US Made) (NJ Limit)

Ultimak Gas Tube (US Made)

Ultimak Tri Rail (US Made)

Ultimak Rail covers (US Made)

Aimpoint H1 4MOA Reflex Sight (US Made)

 

 

DW thats a very nice set up. i like it a lot. if u dont mind me askin >> how much did it cost u to put it together?

 

Saiga 7.62 X 39 - $400

ACE Stock (US Made) - $80

Tapco Saw Pistol Grip (US Made) - $20

ACE Internal Block (US Made) - $40

Tapco FCG (US Made) - $50

Surefire 15 Round Magazines (US Made) (NJ Limit) - $30

Ultimak Gas Tube (US Made) - $100

Ultimak Tri Rail (US Made) - $225

Ultimak Rail covers (US Made) - $44

Aimpoint H1 4MOA Reflex Sight (US Made) - $540

 

so roughly $1500 give or take a little.. BUT everything on that rifle is as top shelf as you can go in the AK world..

 

kool thank u.

another question if i may >>>> if i decide to get a saiga. wat caliber u think i shud get? 8)

for me its really between 7.62X39 and .223

7.62X39 because i already have zastava PAP in the same caliber and i wud "save" on ammo

.223 because its our local all around caliber. (i really cant use 5.56mm ammo with it thou, rite?)

wat do u think ?

The Saigas are labeled .223 but run 5.56x45 ammo fine.

 

I am personally not a fan of .223/5.56 AKs, I'd say go with 5.45 or 7.62x39.

Nice optic, I like it a lot better than the previous setup.

 

How much does that all come out to loaded? This one is 9.5lbs loaded

 

I like it a LOT better to!

 

10.6lbs with everything fully loaded with 30 rounds of wolf.. (this is TWO 15rd magazines clamped together

 

Awesome, thanks. Not too heavy at all.

 

(NJ has 15 round mag capacity limit))

 

No way??? Really?

 

 

nope pretty light considering all the hardware..

dw i know your gonna put a really nice muzzle brake, but which one we gotta know!

 

 

the 7.62x39 round is really light to me.. i really don't feel the need for a brake.. pretty easy to stay on target.. if the gun was FA I would put a slant brake on it.. but as stated.. in semi.. I just don't see the need.. so it will likely stay as is..

 

kool thank u.

another question if i may >>>> if i decide to get a saiga. wat caliber u think i shud get? 8)

for me its really between 7.62X39 and .223

7.62X39 because i already have zastava PAP in the same caliber and i wud "save" on ammo

.223 because its our local all around caliber. (i really cant use 5.56mm ammo with it thou, rite?)

wat do u think ?

 

 

depends on SO much.. is this a SHTF gun.. do you have the cash to horde a ton of ammo? I went with 7.62x39 because i just feel the 223 round to be pretty weak.. doesnt really penetrate cover well.. where as the 7.62 has more meat.. the ONLY upside to the 223 is the availability of ammo in a SHTF scenario.. I have considered buying another 223 and just shelfing it.. BUT then the other idea of a 16in 308 Saiga has crossed my mind.. the nice thing about that is i can feed it good US hunting brass OR cheap soviet wolf... so..

 

if you have the money to stock up on ammo 7.62x39 no question..

 

saiga in 223 will feed anf fire both the 223 and the 556 nato..

dw i know your gonna put a really nice muzzle brake, but which one we gotta know!

 

 

the 7.62x39 round is really light to me.. i really don't feel the need for a brake.. pretty easy to stay on target.. if the gun was FA I would put a slant brake on it.. but as stated.. in semi.. I just don't see the need.. so it will likely stay as is..

 

You should definitely check out a genuine Bulgarian AK-74 24mm threaded brake (not a piece of shit TAPCO imitation) they thread onto an AK-74 sight block. You can weld the brake to the block for Nj compliance and then simply swap out the factory FSB for the Bulgarian AK-74 + welded brake one.

 

The reduction in recoil is amazing. I understand these rounds are relatively tame already, but the difference in recoil really has to be experienced to really see how much it tones things down. I did the aforementioned mod on my 5.45 and it literally turned into a loud .22lr. I'm about to put the same brake on my 7.62 as well and expecting a good drop as well.

 

You really should check it out. I don't know where you live or where you shoot but if you ever have a range day I want you to try my two rifles, have a feeling you'll like the brake a lot!

dw i know your gonna put a really nice muzzle brake, but which one we gotta know!

 

 

the 7.62x39 round is really light to me.. i really don't feel the need for a brake.. pretty easy to stay on target.. if the gun was FA I would put a slant brake on it.. but as stated.. in semi.. I just don't see the need.. so it will likely stay as is..

 

You should definitely check out a genuine Bulgarian AK-74 24mm threaded brake (not a piece of **** TAPCO imitation) they thread onto an AK-74 sight block. You can weld the brake to the block for Nj compliance and then simply swap out the factory FSB for the Bulgarian AK-74 + welded brake one.

 

The reduction in recoil is amazing. I understand these rounds are relatively tame already, but the difference in recoil really has to be experienced to really see how much it tones things down. I did the aforementioned mod on my 5.45 and it literally turned into a loud .22lr. I'm about to put the same brake on my 7.62 as well and expecting a good drop as well.

 

You really should check it out. I don't know where you live or where you shoot but if you ever have a range day I want you to try my two rifles, have a feeling you'll like the brake a lot!

 

I shoot at the Atlantic County Range in southern NJ (that's where i live)... live in the area? or are you far away?

Aw damn, yeah I'm kinda far, I'm up by Elizabeth.

Aw damn, yeah I'm kinda far, I'm up by Elizabeth.

im in woodbridge. where do u shoot?

Aw damn, yeah I'm kinda far, I'm up by Elizabeth.

im in woodbridge. where do u shoot?

 

I take 78 about and hour away out to PA, there are a couple clubs in Lehigh Valley (Easton/Bethlehem/Allentown) Steel City Gun Club, Easton Fish & Game Assoc., Lehigh Valley Sporting Clay, The Firing Line, Hellertown Sportsmen's Association, also in Bucks County (same distance) is Wicen's, Target World, etc.

 

kool thank u.

another question if i may >>>> if i decide to get a saiga. wat caliber u think i shud get? 8)

for me its really between 7.62X39 and .223

7.62X39 because i already have zastava PAP in the same caliber and i wud "save" on ammo

.223 because its our local all around caliber. (i really cant use 5.56mm ammo with it thou, rite?)

wat do u think ?

 

 

depends on SO much.. is this a SHTF gun.. do you have the cash to horde a ton of ammo? I went with 7.62x39 because i just feel the 223 round to be pretty weak.. doesnt really penetrate cover well.. where as the 7.62 has more meat.. the ONLY upside to the 223 is the availability of ammo in a SHTF scenario.. I have considered buying another 223 and just shelfing it.. BUT then the other idea of a 16in 308 Saiga has crossed my mind.. the nice thing about that is i can feed it good US hunting brass OR cheap soviet wolf... so..

 

 

if you have the money to stock up on ammo 7.62x39 no question..

 

saiga in 223 will feed anf fire both the 223 and the 556 nato..

 

copy that DW. u dont think .308 round overwhelms Saiga?

5.56mm shud b more accurate than 7.62mm in follow up rounds cause of low recoil, no?

and technically even 7.62X54 doesnt penetrate ceramic plates of the standard body armor... or am i wrong?

copy that DW. u dont think .308 round overwhelms Saiga?

5.56mm shud b more accurate than 7.62mm in follow up rounds cause of low recoil, no?

and technically even 7.62X54 doesnt penetrate ceramic plates of the standard body armor... or am i wrong?

 

as far as 308 overwhelming the Saiga? no the Saiga in 308 shoots just fine.. I did not purchase it because I have an AR platform rifle in 308.. I chose that because the accuracy of an AR is going to outdo an AK platform time and time again.. so for me.. in a longer distance 308 gun.. an AR is where its at... long range.. deadly accurate.. and semi-auto.. win..

 

As far as accuracy.... here is the deal for me... the Saiga is a COM 0-150 yard gun so there is really no HUGE concern of accuracy.... and 223 VS 7.62x39 has been pretty similar in accuracy for me inside 100 yards... so I went with 7.62 so I could get a more solid powerful round... YES 223 IS more accurate.. but the accuracy advantage was just not worth the lighter round..

 

the recoil of 7.62x39 is VERY manageable.. so much so that i doubt ill even install a brake... so follow up shots are not really an issue IMO at least..

 

lastly.. i don't shoot body armor.. lol so i have NO idea what that matters, or what you mean there.. I did not choose the 7.62x39 because it can penetrate armor.. i chose it because it can penetrate cover, and packs a decent punch..

 

hope that helps..

copy that DW. u dont think .308 round overwhelms Saiga?

5.56mm shud b more accurate than 7.62mm in follow up rounds cause of low recoil, no?

and technically even 7.62X54 doesnt penetrate ceramic plates of the standard body armor... or am i wrong?

 

as far as 308 overwhelming the Saiga? no the Saiga in 308 shoots just fine.. I did not purchase it because I have an AR platform rifle in 308.. I chose that because the accuracy of an AR is going to outdo an AK platform time and time again.. so for me.. in a longer distance 308 gun.. an AR is where its at... long range.. deadly accurate.. and semi-auto.. win..

 

As far as accuracy.... here is the deal for me... the Saiga is a COM 0-150 yard gun so there is really no HUGE concern of accuracy.... and 223 VS 7.62x39 has been pretty similar in accuracy for me inside 100 yards... so I went with 7.62 so I could get a more solid powerful round... YES 223 IS more accurate.. but the accuracy advantage was just not worth the lighter round..

 

the recoil of 7.62x39 is VERY manageable.. so much so that i doubt ill even install a brake... so follow up shots are not really an issue IMO at least..

 

lastly.. i don't shoot body armor.. lol so i have NO idea what that matters, or what you mean there.. I did not choose the 7.62x39 because it can penetrate armor.. i chose it because it can penetrate cover, and packs a decent punch..

 

hope that helps..

 

lol ok now i got it >>> i misunderstood u (actually just didnt read rite 8) >>> when u said "penetrate cover" before i automatically thought body armor 8) never mind hehe :doh:

aite ima gonna sleep on it .. for couple of days 8)

thank u for all the info ... will let u know

update.... for what its worth.. the H1 performed flawlessly today.. pretty tight man size groups even with quick fire at 100 yards.. for an AK.. what more can I ask..