http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=183368016#PIC

 

The mag will need to be reduced to 15rds though ...

almost positive that is not legal because it has a magazine outside the pistol grip, and its not a carbine/rifle.

Nothing but BLING!!

ya S&W makes the same thing

this is for sale at the Bullet Hole. Im sure modified in some arcane NJ way...

almost positive that is not legal because it has a magazine outside the pistol grip, and its not a carbine/rifle.

 

I think this would require a PP, not just a FID (for long guns). I don't know if mag inside or outside a pistol grip makes any difference, either way it's detachable, but capacity will have to be 15rd or less.

 

Shoulder stock can't be attached, else it becomes a SBR and illegal in NJ. Free states do allow it w/ tax stamp, etc.

 

I would love to have something like this in 9mm or .40!

almost positive that is not legal because it has a magazine outside the pistol grip, and its not a carbine/rifle.

 

I think this would require a PP, not just a FID (for long guns). I don't know if mag inside or outside a pistol grip makes any difference, either way it's detachable, but capacity will have to be 15rd or less.

 

Shoulder stock can't be attached, else it becomes a SBR and illegal in NJ. Free states do allow it w/ tax stamp, etc.

 

I would love to have something like this in 9mm or .40!

S&W makes a model in 5.56 and i think they do as well, so that's even better than 9mm or .40

I don't find anything in handgun form. Link?

If it is a pistol variant, it does need a pistol permit, however I am fairly certain it is not nj legal as it is over the weight limit? I am assuming? Much like the GSG pistols.

There is a weight limit?

If it is a pistol variant, it does need a pistol permit, however I am fairly certain it is not nj legal as it is over the weight limit? I am assuming? Much like the GSG pistols.

 

Lets start the substantially identical debate again!

FOR sale at the bullet hole, look to the left by the used shotguns when you are at the front counter.

If it is a pistol variant, it does need a pistol permit, however I am fairly certain it is not nj legal as it is over the weight limit? I am assuming? Much like the GSG pistols.

 

Limit is 50 oz. as a criteria for "assault firearm".

 

Quoted from Title 13 Chapter 54 under definitions: http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf

ii. A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at

least two of the following:

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm;

FOR sale at the bullet hole, look to the left by the used shotguns when you are at the front counter.

 

Like he said.

 

Just because a dealer is selling it doesnt make it NJ legal.

 

Remember the Ruger charger pistol? Dealers sold it until Ruger told them it is not nj compliant.... ie magazine forward of pistol grip and over the weight limit.

 

Same thing with the Sig.

 

GSG-5 sold with a can, until it was decided it was not legal.

FOR sale at the bullet hole, look to the left by the used shotguns when you are at the front counter.

 

Feel bad for whatever sucker buys it, it's definitely not NJ legal, unless they've removed 30oz of metal from it and removed the handguards.

 

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm;

...Remember the Ruger charger pistol? Dealers sold it until Ruger told them it is not nj compliant.... ie magazine forward of pistol grip and over the weight limit...

Got a link or letter to back that up?

 

Feel bad for whatever sucker buys it, it's definitely not NJ legal, unless they've removed 30oz of metal from it and removed the handguards.

So it is "substantially identical" to WHICH firearm on the banned list?

 

 

 

 

You drew first blood. Don't push it. Let it go. LET IT GO!!!

I knew, Paul would come to the rescue! (So, I refrained from responding to and such)

...

GSG-5 sold with a can, until it was decided it was not legal.

 

 

Yes, but that was an ATF thing that affected every state. It wasnt a NJ specific thing. They re-designed the can and did a recall, and everyone (including NJ residents) got a new can that is legal (even in NJ)

...Remember the Ruger charger pistol? Dealers sold it until Ruger told them it is not nj compliant.... ie magazine forward of pistol grip and over the weight limit...

Got a link or letter to back that up?

 

Feel bad for whatever sucker buys it, it's definitely not NJ legal, unless they've removed 30oz of metal from it and removed the handguards.

So it is "substantially identical" to WHICH firearm on the banned list?

 

 

 

 

You drew first blood. Don't push it. Let it go. LET IT GO!!!

 

Would you like to explain this? I hear this said from you often but do not understand. Could you link me to some info and educate me please? I'm not trying to be a jerkoff, I'd genuinely like to know how this is not "substantially identical" and what information/court cases/letters led you to conclude that new design guns like SCARs, this Sig thing, etc. do not have to fall under the restrictions of the AWB (besides mag limit)

On a related note, isn't NJ based FFL (has a registered place of business in NJ) required to make sure they only sell what's legal in NJ to a NJ resident? Why is a buyer expected to know legality of what's being sold?

Let the NJSP frag the FFL!

FFDP82,

Have you read the AG Directive? It refers to firearms on "the list", not all firearms.

 

If the dealer sells a firearm causing you to possess it illegally, he may lose his license and you may be arrested. Both must be aware of the law.

FFDP82,

Have you read the AG Directive? It refers to firearms on "the list", not all firearms.

 

If the dealer sells a firearm causing you to possess it illegally, he may lose his license and you may be arrested. Both must be aware of the law.

 

@ PK90

This seems odd to me (but I am thinking logical, not legal-wise). Why is the buyer expected to know the law? Isn't the dealer expected to be the control point? If the buyer does something illegal with the firearm after purchase then the buyer is fully responsible. A similar situation applied to other goods or services would get all buyers in the pickle at one time or another! :shock:

 

btw. did you mean "may be arrested" = charged with a crime?

Why is the buyer expected to know the law?

 

For the same reason that possession of stolen property is an indictable offense even if you did not steal the property, and because this is NJ and we can f you over good for long time...

 

Have you NEVER heard the statement "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"?????

Why would I do that - it's a Sig....