Everyone I've ever worked with has run plenum through the walls for Firecode compliance. For 2 cables in a private residence it's probably not a big deal but...

I have done MILES of non plenum cable for MANY years...... For a couple of drops in a residence it is NOT needed.

i ended up doing a wall jack on both ends, and then used a patch cord. Works perfect. Thanks for all the help guys

It might not be a big deal to not use plenum but god forbid something does happen and the insurance company finds out you were not abiding by the firecode they will deny your claim on your house. That's a lot fo money at risk for not using a few plenum cables.

 

The chances are small but is it worth it?

Whats the difference in cost? $30-40 bucks over a 1000ft box? No reason not to use plenum rated cable. I guess if your place is on fire then your cat5e drops are probably not on your mind... but I like doing things the right way once. Its extremely unlikely the cable will cause a fire... but its supposed to be more resistant to fire and produce less fumes as it burns.

Show me the code. Most towns dont even have LV code.

show me the code that says its ok

 

Its stupid... the cost is negligible so why would you even use non-plenum?

sirsloop, when you have installed half as much LV as I have, then come talke to me about what matters in LV, deal?

 

Here is a roughly 100 run job here in NJ I did that the electrical inspecter there to inspect the dedicated circuits for the servers said "I dont give a shit about your LV stuff, its fine" None of it is Plen Rated.

 

By the way, that job is about 8 years old and the building hasnt burst into flames yet

 

To the OP if it makes ya feel better by all means buy plenum but... in MY opinion, you dont need it.

Great, thousands of feet of non-plenum rated cabling in most likely a drop ceiling commercial building. That's something awesome to brag about regardless of what the electrical inspector said. :hand:

 

"need" and "should do" are two different things. Lets call "Need" the hull installed on the titanic. That makes "Should do" the hull that doesn't tear into pieces when bumped by an iceberg.

 

Wait, are you one of those guys that knows everything about everything? The best bullets, the best cable to use... etc, etc...

Sirsloop, you starting to annoy me and show yourself as a d!ck.

 

So lets do a rundown shall we.

 

Daytime occupation, Dir of IT for a 55 million dollar a year technology based company.

Late afternoon occupation, IT consultant for my own company.

Nightime occupation, weapons component designer and manufacturer.

Hobby, building 1911's from the ground up

 

Know it all, hardly. Well versed in the two areas being discussed, Id say so.

 

Heres a pic of the VF2 I put square blocky blocks in and get out machined parts(sorry had to cover up the secret squirell drawings). Starting to form a picture????

 

And since your taking inventory, Im pretty knwledgable on Sport bikes. Im on my 10th which is a Hayabusa, and Birds (Parrots).

 

 

In case you missed it, the POINT was to show more than a passing familiarity with the subject matter, not to brag. Im sorry if your getting a complex standing in my shadow.

Great, thousands of feet of non-plenum rated cabling in most likely a drop ceiling commercial building. That's something awesome to brag about regardless of what the electrical inspector said. :hand:

 

"need" and "should do" are two different things. Lets call "Need" the hull installed on the titanic. That makes "Should do" the hull that doesn't tear into pieces when bumped by an iceberg.

 

Wait, are you one of those guys that knows everything about everything? The best bullets, the best cable to use... etc, etc...

 

Hey Sloopy - I won't tell you about which flops to wear and you don't tell me my business, ok?

 

NJ version of the IMC section 602.2.1 refers to plenums. Go read it. Not every space above a ceiling is a plenum. Not every HVAC system uses plenums. In fact, many many HVAC systems utilize ducted supply, return, outdoor and exhaust air. Where air is ducted there is no plenum. Capice?

 

Furthermore, the reason for the Teflon jacket over the PVC jacket is not to "prevent fire" but rather for the other section of ASTM E84 which refers to smoke developed (not just flame spread). PVC when burned gives off an inordinate amount of noxious smoke...

YOU DO KNOW EVERYTHING!! :shock:

 

No, I think you just showed yourself as a ****. Everybody stop posting on the forum... just PM Shane and he'll have all the answers for you. No, forget about debating anything because Mr Director of the World President of his own Company Inventor of all things death related supreme haybusa motocyclist and be all end all of 1911 hobbyists is here for YOU!! :roll: :roll:

Apparently the only person in the world that pulls cable, works for an IT company, owns their own company, builds and drives performance vehicles, builds guns, builds gun parts... heck a lot of that sounds EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I DO! Go figure... difference is I don't post it all over the world showing off the size of my Johnson...

pull whatever effin cable you want... pull some cat 3 for all I care... just as long as mr know it all doesn't get annoyed...

post up pics of your corner office and your hayabusa parked in front of the office building in your reserved motorcycle parking spot

Hey sloopy - lemme ask. What kind of HV wiring do you have in YOUR house? Likely it's NM which has the EXACT same covering as your non-plenum cable.

I forgot, Master VF2 CNC Machine Operator

I haven't pulled anything in my house... basement and attic are finished. What cable would I pull?? Plenum rated...

I haven't pulled anything in my house... basement and attic are finished. What cable would I pull?? Plenum rated...

 

For high voltage? :shock: OK man - whatever :hand:

wow... so trickyyyy you are right. Guess if Shane isn't around everyone can PM you.

wow... so trickyyyy you are right. Guess if Shane isn't around everyone can PM you.

 

Nah - I just know what I know. :geek: What I don't know, I ask Tim or Ken or Matt (yes, even Matt) but not Ray

just PM shane or djg0770... they have all the answers

Sirsloop, dont go away mad, just go away. A quick look back 15 pages of your posts, I cant seem to find any of you talking about actually doing any shooting. Just arguing with everyone else about everything else. Keep in mind YOU are the one that decided to take issue with my advice and turn this into a whip out contest. I do what I do, I have what I have, I know what I know, why are you threatened by this?

 

Will this do? Sorry my brothers customised R1 is in the pic, he stopped by. You forgot to make fun of my Parrot knowledge......

 

By the way several members of this forum have seen my Busa in person so... not sure where your going with that one.......

 

Such a simple little thing... plenum vs non-plenum debate resulted in you posting a run down of your life's bragging points as if anybody cares. Anyone who disagrees gets personally attacked. That's how you roll. I don't have to prove myself to you or anybody else, especially not on NJ Gun Forum.

By the way, the inspecter, again for the dedicated server circuits, on a job I did in Ft Washington pa a few years back said, hell I cant even inspect it we dont have LV code" so.... sirsloop I think these interactions have caused me to form an opinion

Sirsloop, please point out where I attacked you. Id say it started when you called me a know it all............ so in essance you are asking me to substantiate my knowledge, which... I believe I was able to do. Now if you want to say lets forget it, I got ahead of myself, move on and continue discussing the finer points of John Mosses Browning's designs, Ill slap you on the back buy you a beer and move on. Thats how I roll.

great whatever

Who would have thought, on a forum like this, that a discussion about network cable would be the thing to to light a fire?