It's at $8.99 per box right now on Cabela's...

found the deal in this forum's hot deals section posted by Caine...

 

I was going to do something like 5 boxes of S&B and 5 boxes of PMC bronze(115gr 9mm $10.99)

but if it's all the same then I'd just purchase all S&B and save a few bucks...

 

So I come to you guys...

what's the word on this particular load?

 

Good enough for range time?

Reliable for USPSA matches?

 

S&B link

PMC link

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if you dont plan on reloading, I would say it is the same thing. Get the S&B. the PMC brass is a bit easier to load than S&B.

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if you dont plan on reloading, I would say it is the same thing. Get the S&B. the PMC brass is a bit easier to load than S&B.

I'm curious to find out why the bullet hole doesn't allow s&b ammo in their range.

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if you dont plan on reloading, I would say it is the same thing. Get the S&B. the PMC brass is a bit easier to load than S&B.

thanks Maks- I ordered through the site's link!

 

I'm curious to find out why the bullet hole doesn't allow s&b ammo in their range.

maybe because, like Maks stated, they're a PITA to reload? I've also read that they're a little dirtier than the average.

 

none the less i took advantage of the $5 shipping and ordered a bunch.

I've been using S&B for a while with no problems in my 9mm Ruger P95 and also the .45 ACP in my Ruger P90. In fact, I have more of that ammo stocked for target shooting than any other brand. Not once have I experienced a bad load. Some people have mentioned quality control issues as of late with S&B but I haven't found that to be the case.

 

When ranges place restrictions on certain brands of ammo, or steel cased ammo, I'm guessing it's because they don't want to sort through the cases for the brass, or as mentioned, some don't reload as well which kind of sucks for us. You know, the shooters that are actually paying for the ammo and brass that the ranges collect and sell.

I used to use the S&B ammo almost exclusively in my CZ 75. It shot great. As of late though (2009/2010) their QA seems to have gone out the door and they're shipping with very hard primers. I went down in hammer spring weight on my CZ to help with the heavy DA pull and got alot of light primer strikes. Looking at the round I saw a very nice ding in the primer and I was surprised the round didn't go off. Same weight hammer spring with Federal AE, WWB, or Remi UMC, was just fine. So I stopped using the S&B ammo.

I'm curious to find out why the bullet hole doesn't allow s&b ammo in their range.

S&B does have a line of steel cased ammo that, while not common, could mistaken for its brass counterpart and many ranges prohibit steel case for the lack of scrap value.

I'm curious to find out why the bullet hole doesn't allow s&b ammo in their range.

 

because they suck. plain and simple.

 

S&B is very good ammo, safe to use in anything, and reliable for whatever you need. ive shot S&B at shythole before. just take it out of the box or load the mags beforehand. they have pics of what they claim is a wolf ammo malfunction and 'blowing up' a gun. more then likely some idiot tried modifying his pistol and screwed something up, and blamed it on the ammo. if wolf was that dangerous it wouldnt be made anymore. the occasional FTF or FTE is one thing for quality control. pistols/rifles constantly blowing up in peoples faces is another.

BH doesn't want to sort out the steel cases that's why. I've brought and shot S&B ammo at BH too. I just hide it well and it is brass cased ammo.

I've shot several hundred rounds of it through my usp compact in 9mm. Never had a problem.

The more appropriate response is that a lot of s&b ammo is steel core ammo, which damages the backstop.

I picked up 1000 rounds from Cabelas and prefer it over the federal champion ammo.

 

The s&b didn't have hardly any muzzle flash, whereas the FC flashed like crazy.

 

Just my opinion. Shot a match with it and had no issues.

...The s&b didn't have hardly any muzzle flash...

 

 

So it flashed alot?

I have been running S&B 9mm in my XD for the past year and have had no issues what so ever. It is great ammo at a very good price when Cabellas has it on sale. Don't shy away from it, it's worth the money.

The more appropriate response is that a lot of s&b ammo is steel core ammo, which damages the backstop.

 

I actually think Echo is right. The bullet Hole just wants brass for reloading, plan and simple. S&B is great ammo, never had an issue with it. There is no reason why the BH doesn't want it. Same with Wolf and Blazer Aluminum.

I actually think Echo is right. The bullet Hole just wants brass for reloading, plan and simple. S&B is great ammo, never had an issue with it. There is no reason why the BH doesn't want it. Same with Wolf and Blazer Aluminum.

 

 

S&B reloads just fine.

 

Older Wolf & Blazer ammo was repackaged surplus ammo. Same wiht S&B. Must of it was steel core.

 

Yes, you must then sort brass from the other brass, however it is an inconvenience, not a reason to not use it. Steel core ammo, especially out of a rifle will kill the life of any backstop very quickly.

 

This is not longer as much of an issue, however the new brass S&B ammo is still steel core. Take a magnet and see.

No, I believe you Maks. I just don't like the dumb rules that the Bullet Hole has. S&B is decent ammo. I like it better than some American stuff (Remington and American Eagle to be exact).

S&B reloads just fine.

 

Older Wolf & Blazer ammo was repackaged surplus ammo. Same wiht S&B. Must of it was steel core.

 

Yes, you must then sort brass from the other brass, however it is an inconvenience, not a reason to not use it. Steel core ammo, especially out of a rifle will kill the life of any backstop very quickly.

 

This is not longer as much of an issue, however the new brass S&B ammo is still steel core. Take a magnet and see.

The RO's at BH actually have a magnet to prove that point.

No, I believe you Maks. I just don't like the dumb rules that the Bullet Hole has. S&B is decent ammo. I like it better than some American stuff (Remington and American Eagle to be exact).

 

 

S&B is typically hotter loaded. Waiting for chronograph to test it out. It does shoot well though, the new stuff at least. the older S&B was garbage, with alot being bad for reloading because: 1. crimped, 2. berdan primed.

This is not longer as much of an issue, however the new brass S&B ammo is still steel core. Take a magnet and see.

 

 

Negative. It has a copper washed mild steel jacket. Alot less harmfull than an actual steel core. Danger of sparking is still there (for those outdoor ranges out west) but penetration is virtually no different. Same with wolf ammo, no steel core.

Negative. It has a copper washed mild steel jacket. Alot less harmfull than an actual steel core. Danger of sparking is still there (for those outdoor ranges out west) but penetration is virtually no different. Same with wolf ammo, no steel core.

 

 

just looked it up again.

 

http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/pistol-and-revolver-detail.php?ammunition=9&product=171

 

lead with a metal jacket for "rigidity"

 

not as bad, but the older stuff is horrible.

So is S&B reloadable?

yes

I just tested 3 varieties of S&B i had on hand in 9mm luger, 9mm mak and 38 spl and non attracted my magnet to the bullet (one of those craftsman telescoping small part picker-uppers so its fairly strong).