Ordering a case of ammo from Montana Gold, and interested in the idea of 147 gr over 124.

 

Anyone have a few or any experience with them?

There is no advantage. The 124 is what the twists are usually made for, being the NATO weight and all. I use the Montana Gold 124 JHPS and they are AWESOME. 147s are good for supressors, since they are well below the supersonic level. Too bad we cant play with those

There is no advantage. The 124 is what the twists are usually made for, being the NATO weight and all. I use the Montana Gold 124 JHPS and they are AWESOME

 

Not too concerned about grouping at 50 yards as this would be primarily for USPSA, where targets are sub 25 yards, and majority being sub 15.

 

What I am looking at is felt recoil, and time to reacquire sights for follow up shots.

 

Have you shot them or just saying?

Oh, in that case yeah I've heard the 147s are more pushy than snappy. Hey, I use 4 grains of bullseye with the 124 in my glock 19 and it cycles very crisp and fast (no flip). You may want to give that a whirl.

 

Nope, never used em.

Maks- Team GLOCK shoots 147's @ around 900fps so you seem to be on the right track.

The claim is reduced recoil. Now I still shoot 115's @ 1150 and I don't really notice a difference at my level of shooting.

Ordering a case of ammo from Montana Gold, and interested in the idea of 147 gr over 124.

 

Anyone have a few or any experience with them?

 

I've shot many American Eagle 147 gr. and they seemed to be a little lighter recoil but the differencen was slight. I even shot one magazine loaded with 147gr. and another with 115 gr. and really couldn't tell the difference shooting the stage. The 147 gr. may shoot slightly bit lower than the 115 gr. Also, remember the 147 gr. leaves little room in the case so be careful with the OAL.

Was toying with light loads with it.

 

Right now I shoot 124 gr fmj 4.5 grains of W231.

 

Tried Luis's load, 4.8 gr of W231 with MG 115's and I felt a difference. Snap vs Push.

Was toying with light loads with it.Right now I shoot 124 gr fmj 4.5 grains of W231.Tried Luis's load, 4.8 gr of W231 with MG 115's and I felt a difference. Snap vs Push.

 

I shoot the "magic" Luis load as well.

I have some factory 147gr stuff. I believe it's lawman

The 147 grain has a bad rap for self-defense ammo. The article below is from 2002, so I don't know how much has changed in bullet technology since then. The author is a respected expert in the field though.

 

Article by Massad Ayoob

9mm Parabellum

 

147-grain: The faddish adoption of the 147-grain subsonic 9mm took more than a decade of street experience to stamp out. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. I saw cases where even the vaunted Black Talon overpenetrated and failed to do the job. The great majority of departments that issued it, including its parent agency, the FBI, have now either gone to .40s, .45s or .357 SIGs, or have gone to a more effective, lighter bullet/higher velocity 9mm round. In good conscience, I cannot recommend any 147-grain subsonic 9mm round for self-defense or police service.

/-125-grain: Caught between cops who believed in Fackler (slow 147-grain) and those who believed in Marshall (fast 115-grain), many police decision-makers have decided to split the difference and go with something in the mid 120-grain range. The best results have been with the hot P and P loads at around 1,250 ft.sec. NYPD adopted the hot CCI Gold Dot 124-grain and reports excellent street results. Denver PD has adopted the same round for its officers who choose the 9mm from the optional weapon list. Winchester's Ranger Talon 127-grain P has also earned an excellent reputation. Forward-thinking, research-intensive departments, such as the San Bernardino County (CA) Sheriff's Department, have adopted it for deputies who carry 9mms. But, as noted, the Ranger Talon series is sold only to law-enforcement agencies.

115-grain: Federal's 9BP, a 115-grain at 1,160 fps, is the one standard pressure 9mm load that has been around for roughly a quarter century without any horror stories of stopping failures. Every shooting with it that I know of has resulted in a stopped offender, usually with mushroomed bullets lodged in the far side of the body. Last I knew, New Jersey State Police (HK P7M8) and Philadelphia PD (Glock 19s) were still using it with good results.

However, the best results in this grain weight, and indeed in the caliber, have been logged with the Illinois State Police Load. A 115-grain JHP at 1,300 to 1,350 fps, it is available to police from Winchester, Federal and Remington; and to civilians from Pro-Load, Black Hills and others. When you see an autopsy report that indicates the cause of death as "cardiac maceration," and there was only one 9mm round fired, you can be pretty sure it was one of these rounds. When in doubt: Pro-Load Tactical (1st choice) or Federal 9BP 115-grain JHP

 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_3_48/ai_82551648/?tag=content;col1

Chris,

 

great article.. Would not be using them for self defense... great article though.

 

Bryan, are the lawmans regular 147gr 9mm loads or +p?

 

Almost tempted to buy a box, take out the bullets, and reload them with the WSF powder I would use.

 

For home defense, would use 124gr, or the 124gr Gold dots.

I shoot the "magic" Luis load as well.

 

There's nothing "magic" about it... Is just the limit on the book duh. No need for your sarcasm.

Luis, Luis, Luis... No sarcasm intended. It's me Frank! You know I'm not like THAT!!

The reason I said "magic" was for Mike. Because I find W231 one of the most universal

powders and use it for both 9mm and 45acp. Mike actually calls me 231 at times.

So no poke at you buddy. BTW I've seen you shoot. I have to be "nice" to you.

Maks,

They are regular.

 

Good article Lunker. Never read that before.

Luis, Luis, Luis... No sarcasm intended. It's me Frank! You know I'm not like THAT!!

The reason I said "magic" was for Mike. Because I find W231 one of the most universal

powders and use it for both 9mm and 45acp. Mike actually calls me 231 at times.

So no poke at you buddy. BTW I've seen you shoot. I have to be "nice" to you.

 

Sorry... I miss understood that.

Maks,

The 147gr bullet (jhp from MG I assume) will give you less recoil, and you will be using less powder in relation to a 115gr or 124gr. Most of the top shooters in production use a 147gr head. If you can find a 1 lb can of Vihtavori N320 try it, you will love it. Clean and consistent, but a bit pricey at $85.00 for 4 lbs. I am currently loading MG 124gr JHP wolf primer, 1.135 OAL with @4.2 grains of N320. Also I am using 124gr heads because that is what I use for 9 major.

147 gr was designed for use in suppressed carbines - was also used by federal sky marshalls prior to their changing to the .357 sig . - i use them in my pistols with no problems - accuracy is par with 115 + 125gr. loads -

no noticable difference in recoil -