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Suspect charged with murder after home invasion

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Two shittums break into man's house, as they're beating him, he pulls out a gun and shoots both. That's called keeping your head! Not to mention, he's 79!! Now one bad guy is getting a murder wrap for the other guy taking a dirt nap. This is called _PERFECT_ justice.

 

 

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/09/suspect-charged-with-murder-after-home-invasion.html

 

 

Suspect charged with murder after home invasion

September 29, 2010 3:37 PM | No Comments

A Melrose Park man was ordered held on bail today after he and another man were shot by an elderly homeowner as they tried to break into the man's Ukrainian Village home, officials said.

Frank Obrachta, 45, was charged with first-degree murder and home invasion but remained hospitalized after being shot by the 79-year-old man on the 2100 block of West Huron Avenue, said Andrew Conklin, a spokesman for the Cook County state's attorney's office.

 

Obrachta, of the 1400 block of North 16th Avenue, Melrose Park, was charged with felony murder after Franko Martinelli, 32, of the 2200 block of West Erie Street died after being shot by the homeowner, Conklin said.

 

On Monday, Martinelli and Obrachta allegedly went to the home on Huron and were yelling and pounding on the door to be let in. After the elderly man opened the door, Martinelli wrapped his arm around the man's neck as Obrachta dosed his eyes with pepper spray while Martinelli began hitting the man in the stomach, Conklin said.

 

As he was being pummeled, the man reached into a pocket of a coat hanging in the vestibule of the home and pulled out a gun, Conklin said.

 

After shooting the men one time each, the men fled out of the building, Conklin said. The men tried to flag down motorists and then collapsed on the street, Conklin said.

 

After police and paramedics arrived, the men were taken to Stroger Hospital where Martinelli was pronounced dead at 11:23 p.m. Monday.

 

The homeowner identified Obrachta as one of the men who attacked him.

 

Obrachta was convicted in 1992 for unlawful use of a weapon by a felon and sentenced to six years in prison; a 1985 conviction for armed robbery and aggravated battery for which he received seven years in prison; and a 1985 burglary conviction out of Lake County where he was sentenced to five years in state prison, Conklin said.

 

-- Carlos Sadovi

How is the guy being charged with murder? I'm not understanding this. Don't get me wrong - it's a good thing that this guy defended himself and took out one of these a-holes in the process, but how is the other one being charged with the murder?

Im not sure if I have the EXACT term right, so anyone more familiar with it can correct the term when they see this. I think its the Circle of Liability. Basically means that when you have two or more people who commit a crime, they are liable for whatever happens while that crime is being committed. Basic example: Four people rob a bank. Person A, B, and C go into the bank while person D waits in the car. If person A shoots the teller, all four of them may be charged with murder because they were ALL involved in bank robbery while the murder occurred. Back to the scenario at hand. The true definition of a homicide is the killing of one human being by another human being. A homicide CAN be justifiable, homicide does not always mean murder. Simply means one human being killed another. This 79 year old man justifiably shot these two intruders. Since the homicide occurred during the commission of this crime, they are pinning it on the criminal, therefore turning a justifiable homicide into a murder.

How amazing that he happened to have a gun in his coat pocket and it was within reach. If that happened to me (and I assume most of us) where our guns may be in the bedroom nightstand or closet, I probably would have never been able to defend myself with my gun. Someone was watching over this man.

How amazing that he happened to have a gun in his coat pocket and it was within reach. If that happened to me (and I assume most of us) where our guns may be in the bedroom nightstand or closet, I probably would have never been able to defend myself with my gun. Someone was watching over this man.

Agreed. But if I lived alone, I would likely have several firearms located around the house just as added security. And someone banging on the door like the article said? Pshht I would have it in my hand and I would call the cops. I dont understand why a 79 year old man would open the door to two people banging and shouting like that....

That's true, I would have answered the door with my 12-gauge shotgun greeting them.

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How amazing that he happened to have a gun in his coat pocket and it was within reach. If that happened to me (and I assume most of us) where our guns may be in the bedroom nightstand or closet, I probably would have never been able to defend myself with my gun. Someone was watching over this man.

 

In the house I grew up in, a gun was in reach pretty much at all times. I don't mean, in the next room, I mean, lean over, get gun. Kitchen, living room, tv room, laundry room, dad's bedroom. Always around, even when I was little. Completely unsupervised. I shot them early enough to have respect and it wasn't a big mystery.

 

Fortunately this guy didn't follow "safe storage" otherwise he'd probably be dead.

The way he could get charged with the murder,it sounds weird but Frank Obrachta put his accomplice in danger by causing the unlawful act and forcing the older man to defend himself so he gets charged with the murder of his "friend" for doing so.

 

As far as the gun location I think most of us, if someone was screaming and hollering and banging on the door you would answer the door with your gun in hand or on you. I dont even know why he would open the door to two people going crazy like that.

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