Hi Everyone, I tried searching before I asked but I didnt see anything. The out of state application requires you get fingerprinted by a law enforcement agency, does anyone have any suggestions on another option? When I got my NJ Firearms ID my local PD sent me to some outside agency. Secondly they really are not helpful nor friendly and treat you like a criminal. Not sure where to go. Also, I have searched and I am not 100 percent sure once I get the CCL from Florida, how do I get the weapon (I assume unloaded and locked and bullets locked separate) but what if I get pulled over... Uggh so many questions, thanks everyone in advance for their help.

It's easiest to go through one of the groups that offers the service.

 

Gunforhire(member of the forum) offers the class. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/forum/82-gun-for-hire/

 

Also, these folks http://www.safeguardingfreedom.com/ offer the class if you are up north. (just sign up, they'll notify you for the next seminar)

 

Both groups give you the forms, takes your picture, fingerprint you and notarize your application. You still have to pay the full fee to the state and mail it in yourself.

Each group charges a fee for the service, last I saw it was $50, subject to change obviously.

 

To get a handgun to Florida you either need to drive down there or ship it in your airline check luggage. If you drive, simply adhere to the federal guidelines on the proper transportation of firearms.

I have searched and I am not 100 percent sure once I get the CCL from Florida, how do I get the weapon (I assume unloaded and locked and bullets locked separate) but what if I get pulled over.....

 

 

Mal:

 

I think he means how does he get the weapon to a free state - one that recognizes his FL permit. There is a lot of controversy about this - but moreso on the PA forums than here in NJ. By my interpretation (and IANAL), you are legal to possess and carry at your home - starting point - and you are legal to possess and carry once you cross the border into a state like PA that recognizes your permit - end point - therefore you're covered by the Federal Peaceable Journey law, also known as the FOPA (Firearms Owners Protection Act) providing that it is in a container, separate from the ammo, in your trunk or inaccessible area if you don't have a trunk.

 

What do you say if you get stopped? Nothing, unless you got stopped for waving your firearm around out the window - then you won't have to say much.

 

HTH

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

PS: Doesn't have to be your local PD, it can be any LE agency. Do you have a friend that's a cop? Hit him/her up for a favor.

Mal:

 

I think he means how does he get the weapon to a free state - one that recognizes his FL permit.

 

 

He was asking how to get fingerprinted. I offered a solution.

 

There is a lot of controversy about this - but moreso on the PA forums than here in NJ. By my interpretation (and IANAL), you are legal to possess and carry at your home - starting point - and you are legal to possess and carry once you cross the border into a state like PA that recognizes your permit - end point - therefore you're covered by the Federal Peaceable Journey law, also known as the FOPA (Firearms Owners Protection Act) providing that it is in a container, separate from the ammo, in your trunk or inaccessible area if you don't have a trunk.

 

I'm going to disagree as we've had this discussion before. In my opinion, strictly talking about legalities, carry a firearm to PA(properly secured) to CCW is not a legal reason to have a handgun in your car in NJ. There are no such restrictions in PA so it wouldn't be a problem in PA. I don't see where FOPA covers you in your home state. That said, I don't think it would ever come down to that legality. As you said don't tell the cop you have a gun in the car unless he asks you directly or informs you that he claims to have probable cause for a search and is going to search the vehicle anyway. If you ever got stopped in NJ and the cops learn about guns in the car and you're headed towards PA, your destination was a shooting range, right? Also legal if you have a hunting license.

If you ever got stopped in NJ and the cops learn about guns in the car and you're headed towards PA, your destination was a shooting range, right? Also legal if you have a hunting license.

you may keep a print out handy in the car of an address/info of a range in PA to bolster that claim. that was my thought

you may keep a print out handy in the car of an address/info of a range in PA to bolster that claim. that was my thought

If it's 2am, will it fly? There are ranges in PA that's open 24 hrs, right?

As for the fingerprinting......last time I needed fingerprints done for something other than firearms, I went to my local State Police station, and they were more than willing to help. If you know that your local PD station would give you a hard time, its not a bad idea to give this a shot.

"If you ever got stopped in NJ and the cops learn about guns in the car and you're headed towards PA, your destination was a shooting range, right? Also legal if you have a hunting license. "

 

It's true that the strict legality of FOPA protection with regards to transport for carry to PA or for that matter FL has been discussed numerous times here. But the point I am raising has been pretty much lost for whatever reason.

 

I'm just going to point out that our own State Police website specifically states that having a hunting license for your destination state "effectively supplies the proof" of the legality of your possession of a gun in that destination state. The proof required is not specifically a hunting license. All the web site states is that proof is required, and offers a hunting license as one example only. A valid carry license for the destination state also "effectively supplies the proof".

 

Here is the link and the relevant quote in the hollow-point transportation page. It addresses the legality under federal law and what is required for firearms not just hollow points:

 

http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_hollow.html

 

Addressing the manner of transport only, requiring that manner of transport to meet US and NJ law, not why you are transporting even though the example given is the very common sport of hunting:

 

"If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A."

 

Addressing the NJ resident traveling to another state with a firearm for a legal purpose, in this specific example, hunting. Note that they specifically call out NJ law when discussing hunting in NJ, but call out federal law when discussing hunting in another state:

 

"In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof."

 

I'm not a lawyer, and this is what I personally believe. The FOPA requires that one's possession be legal in starting and ending states. I won't go into the starting state because that's not specifically talked about in the NJSP web page. But they do address the destination states, and do so by referencing the federal FOPA statute.

 

It's not likely to happen to me personally. But if I were stopped outside of PA range hours in NJ going to PA, and an NJ LEO somehow asked and I needed to answer, I'd make the simple point: My FL carry license makes possession of my handgun in my destination state 100% legal. My possession of my handgun is legal in NJ, and therefore under federal statute I am protected from NJ law. Doesn't mean I would not have to prove this in court at my expense, but there it is.

Thanks everyone for your help, it looks like its really sketchy driving from here to PA with a handgun. I need to google a 24 hour gun range in PA, that should give me a valid excuse, other than that it looks like your breaking the law, no real way around it I see.

It's easiest to go through one of the groups that offers the service.

 

Gunforhire(member of the forum) offers the class. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/forum/82-gun-for-hire/

 

Also, these folks http://www.safeguardingfreedom.com/ offer the class if you are up north. (just sign up, they'll notify you for the next seminar)

 

Both groups give you the forms, takes your picture, fingerprint you and notarize your application. You still have to pay the full fee to the state and mail it in yourself.

Each group charges a fee for the service, last I saw it was $50, subject to change obviously.

 

To get a handgun to Florida you either need to drive down there or ship it in your airline check luggage. If you drive, simply adhere to the federal guidelines on the proper transportation of firearms.

 

 

Thanks Malsua, great link to safeguardingfreedom! They make the process so easy, everyone should do this!!

Thanks Malsua, great link to safeguardingfreedom! They make the process so easy, everyone should do this!!

 

Those guys are where I did it. A few others here on the board used them as well. Good guys.

I was looking into the Florida non-resident permit myself and found a place in Pa that does it all, including class for $100 Here: My link

The class was in Bristol for day I was interested in taking it. Just for the heck of it I called the Bristol Police. I spoke with an officer and told him my plans, and that I was bringing my pistol and some ammo with me. He asked "Do you have a NJ permit for your handgun?" I told him I did, and he said no problem, as long as the gun is locked in a box and unloaded. Never hurts to make a phone call.

I was looking into the Florida non-resident permit myself and found a place in Pa that does it all, including class for $100 Here: My link

The class was in Bristol for day I was interested in taking it. Just for the heck of it I called the Bristol Police. I spoke with an officer and told him my plans, and that I was bringing my pistol and some ammo with me. He asked "Do you have a NJ permit for your handgun?" I told him I did, and he said no problem, as long as the gun is locked in a box and unloaded. Never hurts to make a phone call.

PA does not care, but NJ does. You have to make it across the border.... The way I read the law, if you are not headed to a range or sportsmans club, you are illegally possessing a firearm

what if my parents own a house in PA (poconos), and I wanna visit Philly.

While it is still debated whether transporting firearms out of the state is legal, I wish to point a few things out:

 

--First, NJ law does not require a motorist to inform an officer of any firearms in the trunk; furthermore, it cannot be used against you (in court) if you don't inform the officer.

 

--If you get pulled over for a traffic violation, police typically do not have cause for a vehicle search. The state supreme court even ruled unanimously (State v. Carty, 2002) that consent searches are inconsistent with the state constitution. In that same ruling, the court stated that nervousness during a motor vehicle stop is not sufficient grounds for a vehicle search.

 

--When I still had access to LexisNexis (legal research database), I looked for court cases of this exact scenario; I could not find any. Until a court actually hears such a case, or the state attorney general issues an advisory opinion, these discussions are simply academic speculation.

 

 

--When I still had access to LexisNexis (legal research database), I looked for court cases of this exact scenario; I could not find any. Until a court actually hears such a case, or the state attorney general issues an advisory opinion, these discussions are simply academic speculation.

 

Yup. I seriously doubt that anyone will ever get popped for illegal possession in the absence of some other crime. How many cases of drug possession were there that also had a gun possession attached to it? Basically if you have guns in the car, don't be stupid and get pulled over and it won't ever get tested in the courts.