http://www.randrtargets.com/saiga_shotgun_main.htm

 

 

 

I want one.

That would make for one fine zombie gun.

WANT

OMG... I just got a stiffy...

what a great 3 gun promo video. =)

Even with a short mag, this one isn't legal here, is it (i'm not schooled up on auto loading scatter guns)?

Even with a short mag, this one isn't legal here, is it (i'm not schooled up on auto loading scatter guns)?

 

 

here I will help you with some gross exageration..

 

semi automatic shotgun + NJ = SUCKS for anything other than hunting.. lol

 

I forget the exact law wording but tiny magazine capacity.. no obvious pistol grip.. no folding stock..

 

one on the dream list since I will likely never see it in NJ would be a converted Saiga with drum magazine..

 

drool...

OMG... I just got a stiffy...

 

pics please?

 

 

I'm kidding!

pics please?

 

 

I'm kidding!

c'mon, Ray - there are other forums for that...

 

and that Saiga with the drum mag mmmmmmmmmmmmmm so nice - I love the color too....

one day, when I move to America I will have this...

I have seen a few used at some matches. They are somewhat problematic when bone stock. With some work, they seem to run well. However using the Saiga bumps you into open.

That would make for one fine zombie gun.

 

Not really. It's a race gun that has shorter springs and shortened gas system extremely fine tuned for running birdshot. The mid barrel comps seen on those guns drop gas pressure to almost nothing, so the gun has to be smoother than a baby's bottom to just barely cycle birdshot. Putting buck and slugs down the pipe would likely beat the bolt carrier to death against the rear trunion as the gun is simply too "smooth" to run them.

 

Great gun for competitions though, which is why they did that to it.

Not really. It's a race gun that has shorter springs and shortened gas system extremely fine tuned for running birdshot. The mid barrel comps seen on those guns drop gas pressure to almost nothing, so the gun has to be smoother than a baby's bottom to just barely cycle birdshot. Putting buck and slugs down the pipe would likely beat the bolt carrier to death against the rear trunion as the gun is simply too "smooth" to run them.

 

Great gun for competitions though, which is why they did that to it.

If you watched the video, you saw that they were shooting slugs out it with no problem

If you watched the video, you saw that they were shooting slugs out it with no problem

 

I did watch it, just shooting a few slugs is fine. I'd like to see what the bolt looks like after a few thousand rounds of buck/slugs. Being able to shoot "a few" and not break the gun is not very conclusive.

The Saiga 12 does come with an adjustable gas system to handle varying load strengths. I have read that some people's guns don't run well on low brass. The manufacturing tolerances seem to be all over the place. Some guns have two, some three, and some four gas ports. The users at the Saiga forums even came up with a name for the Saigas that need tweaking to run right - "Vodka Special".

The Saiga 12 does come with an adjustable gas system to handle varying load strengths. I have read that some people's guns don't run well on low brass. The manufacturing tolerances seem to be all over the place. Some guns have two, some three, and some four gas ports. The users at the Saiga forums even came up with a name for the Saigas that need tweaking to run right - "Vodka Special".

 

Yep. The race guns also have mid barrel comps, which drop the gas pressure insanely low. In order to get it to run low power loads like birdshot, they usually enlarge the gas ports and shorten the gas system length to take in more gas on a shorter stroke and sooner, as well as polish and reshape the bolt and carrier and replace the recoil springs with lighter ones to reduce resistance in back as well. When a gas system is "wide open and easy" like that it runs great with birdshot, but usually causes problems with extended buck and slug use, as it over gasses and the bolt carrier literally beats itself to death on the rear trunion.

 

On normal guns, it is not so much of a problem to get birdshot cycling well. Mine is a 4-port '08 that ran Federal bulk pack straight out the box. Most Vodka Specials need only to have the gas block hole filed a little wider and/or the ports drilled a little wider and they will work fine with birdshot on setting 1.

I still want to know the answer to the question... Is it or any other form of it legal to buy and own in NJ?

Because if it is, I know what I'm ordering first thing next year.

I still want to know the answer to the question... Is it or any other form of it legal to buy and own in NJ?

Because if it is, I know what I'm ordering first thing next year.

 

No, the only Saiga-12 you may have in NJ is the factory configuration one with straight "sporter" stock and 5 round magazines. You could technically have a six round magazine but no one makes 6 round ones.

See a discussion from a couple of days ago on thumbhole stocks for Saigas.

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/18949-thumbhole-stock-an-an-autoloader/page__p__249434__fromsearch__1#entry249434

Very interesting. It would be nice to do that for sure, interested the officer said that. I will be honest though I am still afraid of doing it, for fear of an uneducated officer ruining my life.