We invoke the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America *ONLY* because it GUARANTEES a right that *ALREADY* exists. Even without the Second Amendment, it is a *FACT* of NATURE, that *EVERY* individual has the NATURAL right, (by virtue of his/her existence) to do everything in their power to protect their existence, from harm by others, who would encroach upon it by force.

 

If for no other reason, *THAT* is why you need to join with us in our fight to regain our FREEDOM here in New Jersey!

I think the point that most people miss about the Bill of Rights - all of them, not just the 2A - is that it does NOT grant those rights, it simply affirms them, big difference.

ABSOLUTELY! We do *NOT* need an "authority" to tell us that we have the RIGHT to protect our OWN lives, and that of our families.

Let's back up a bit... if a criminal broke into your home, and you hit them over the head with a chair, and broke their neck, and they died, do you think anyone would prosecute you?

In NJ.....yeah!

Maybe not, but you would still DEFINITELY be facing a civil suit.

I think the point that most people miss about the Bill of Rights - all of them, not just the 2A - is that it does NOT grant those rights, it simply affirms them, big difference.

 

Wow, well said brotha!

Civil suit or not, why should the introduction of a gun for self defense make ONE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE! It is simply a tool (the best one available) for self defense.

Civil suit or not, why should the introduction of a gun for self defense make ONE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE! It is simply a tool (the best one available) for self defense.

I am not disagreeing with you on ANYTHING. Believe me, I want more gun rights, as I am a law abiding citizen. I strongly believe that in a justified shooting, one should be granted civil immunity. Im just stating that in NJ, you will be facing a civil suit for defending your life. Go figure.

Oh, I know. We are on the same side. I agree - it boggles the mind. :-)

It really does boggle the mind as to how far the laws can stray from common sense.

Let's back up a bit... if a criminal broke into your home, and you hit them over the head with a chair, and broke their neck, and they died, do you think anyone would prosecute you?

Depends on what County...but i can think of a few where they would...Also, I CAN garuntee that you would be facing a civil suit from the Mutant's family.

Depends on what County...but i can think of a few where they would...Also, I CAN garuntee that you would be facing a civil suit from the Mutant's family.

 

You should be able to counter sue for poor parenting and emotional damages suffered as a result of their inability to control their spawn.

I agree with the general idea the the Bill of Rights only affirms preexisting right... However, without the 2nd Amendment, the reality is that civilians would not have any guns. Certainly no handguns or military style rifles. The second amendment was put there with the intention that civilians have the right to protect themselves from a potentially tyrannical government.

 

No statesmen since the Founding Fathers are honest enough to admit in the open, that even they should not be trusted. That is why the Founding Fathers were such great men. They truly put liberty before their personal ambitions of greatness. They were great men because they aspired to be small and insignificant. They looked for ways to limit their own power. Contrast that with politicians today that want more and more control over the lives of its citizens.

I agree with the general idea the the Bill of Rights only affirms preexisting right... However, without the 2nd Amendment, the reality is that civilians would not have any guns. Certainly no handguns or military style rifles. The second amendment was put there with the intention that civilians have the right to protect themselves from a potentially tyrannical government.

 

No statesmen since the Founding Fathers are honest enough to admit in the open, that even they should not be trusted. That is why the Founding Fathers were such great men. They truly put liberty before their personal ambitions of greatness. They were great men because they aspired to be small and insignificant. They looked for ways to limit their own power. Contrast that with politicians today that want more and more control over the lives of its citizens.

 

I totally agree that that is INDEED what the founders had in mind. To me, that is as much a basic natural right as self-defense. Defending yourself, your family, and your community against an oppressive government is every person's right. And obviously I am a HUGE supporter of the Second Amendment, but I think it is important for people to realize WHERE these rights come from. They do NOT have to be granted by *ANY* entity. They exist on their own, as a condition of being human.

Exactly who decided it is ok for you to face a civil suit for protecting your own life, and possibly that of your family's...I find it so hard to believe that in a just situation....ex; minding your on business, in your home, altercation arises(ex; abreak in....)...a jury could actually have the nerve to even entertain a settlement...

am I talking jibberish?

Exactly who decided it is ok for you to face a civil suit for protecting your own life, and possibly that of your family's...I find it so hard to believe that in a just situation....ex; minding your on business, in your home, altercation arises(ex; abreak in....)...a jury could actually have the nerve to even entertain a settlement...

am I talking jibberish?

 

It's simple actually, you can ALWAYS find some attorney who will file a suit, no matter HOW ridiculous, it's all in whether or not the courts will accept it. I've told this story here before, but a Co-worker of mine shot a suspect who was ACTIVELY trying to kill him. that suspect sued my co-worker and my department for 7 million dollars. Luckily, the assignment judge took one look at the case and tossed it, HOWEVER there have been cases in the past where someone committing a criminal act successfully sued the Victim, and got a settlement.

It's simple actually, you can ALWAYS find some attorney who will file a suit, no matter HOW ridiculous, it's all in whether or not the courts will accept it. I've told this story here before, but a Co-worker of mine shot a suspect who was ACTIVELY trying to kill him. that suspect sued my co-worker and my department for 7 million dollars. Luckily, the assignment judge took one look at the case and tossed it, HOWEVER there have been cases in the past where someone committing a criminal act successfully sued the Victim, and got a settlement.

 

No, you are making sense. Sometimes in NJ, common sense does not prevail. I think you are correct though, not every one of these cases results in a civil suit against the homeowner. Just the fact that it is POSSIBLE though, is disturbing to say the least.

Its possible because common sense isnt so common anymore and Judges have allowed personal agenda into the ring. And then theres always greed.....

CYNIC!!! :-) :-) :-)

I think the main problem here is that people will manipulate anything to make it work in there favor, no matter what side your on. The more in writing, and in depth explanation of what your rights are, or more or less what your allowed and not allowed to do, will favor the party in the right. With out certain existing laws, it would be like you said, common sense, and as we know it, a small hand full of people have common sense, and do we allow those people with out it to take others lives into there hands, or make the decision on what is or isnt just?

 

I would rather be told that if i shoot some one running out of my house, i can get in trouble, then have to figure that out after the fact, or have some sympathetic tart tell me i was wrong for defending myself.

 

With out the 2Nd amendment it could be said that excessive force was used, with out an option to defend. However, at least with the amendment we have the right to defend out actions.

 

As far as NJ is concerned you better be able to prove your life was in jeopardy before you pull the trigger.