Massad Ayoob commented on Van Drew's S2264 bill on his blog at Backwoods Home Magazine.

 

Apologies if this is a re-post, the blog post was from the end of September.

 

For anyone that doesn't read his blog, he offers a lot of great shooting advice, interspersed with updates on the national shooting culture.

Good stuff. It is interesting how almost all commentators are in some way mixed or at least soliciting discussion on the bill.

 

I think it would be nice if it passed and no one bought one and they HAD to lower it. I know, I'm a dreamer.

I think it would be nice if it passed and no one bought one and they HAD to lower it.

 

If they passed and no one bought one, why would they lower the price? You make it like NJ legislators want you to be able to defend yourself?

 

The NJ legislature's goal for the last 100 years has been to make sure no one can carry unless they're "connected"

 

If they passed the bill, and no on got a permit, they'd throw a big party and celebrate "Mission Accomplished"

Backwoods home is a great magazine.

If they passed and no one bought one, why would they lower the price? You make it like NJ legislators want you to be able to defend yourself?

 

If they passed the bill, and no on got a permit, they'd throw a big party and celebrate "Mission Accomplished"

 

 

As Ayoob and others have pointed out, it appears to be an attempt at creating a revenue stream. There are many different angles to this, not just one.

Good stuff. It is interesting how almost all commentators are in some way mixed or at least soliciting discussion on the bill.

 

I think it would be nice if it passed and no one bought one and they HAD to lower it. I know, I'm a dreamer.

 

No, they would repeal it on the premis that Nobody actually WANTED it, therfore it isnt necessary to have the possibility even on the books.

If they passed and no one bought one, why would they lower the price? You make it like NJ legislators want you to be able to defend yourself?

 

The NJ legislature's goal for the last 100 years has been to make sure no one can carry unless they're "connected"If they passed the bill, and no on got a permit, they'd throw a big party and celebrate "Mission Accomplished"

 

 

Nonsense..the past forty years maybe, certainly Post 1968, but before then?? it wasnt that much of an issue, there also wasnt the hype and abject fear of firearms that there is in today's society.

No, they would repeal it on the premis that Nobody actually WANTED it, therfore it isnt necessary to have the possibility even on the books.

 

 

Guys.... come on.

It would never happen. People would buy it at $500. It was a musing on the issue.

If the scenario were to happen as I wrote, there would be plenty of people taking NJ to court over the cost. They are already suggesting that and no one has even voted on it yet.

Guys.... come on.

It would never happen. People would buy it at $500. It was a musing on the issue.

If the scenario were to happen as I wrote, there would be plenty of people taking NJ to court over the cost. They are already suggesting that and no one has even voted on it yet.

 

I see a whole bunch of grannies from Newark banding together for a class action suit if it is enacted as currently proposed. It's again a defacto ban on the poor - whom, it can be argued, need it the most because of the neighborhoods they are able to afford...

 

You have the right to protect yourself ONLY if you pay $500 and jump through our little hoops.

Guys.... come on.

It would never happen. People would buy it at $500. It was a musing on the issue.

If the scenario were to happen as I wrote, there would be plenty of people taking NJ to court over the cost. They are already suggesting that and no one has even voted on it yet.

 

Exactly As i have posted..pretty much Ad nauseum..ONCE WE HAVE IT..we can fight the fees Constitutionally..if it doesnt pass we have SH*T ands we;re now dependant on the SAF suit against NY state

Nonsense..the past forty years maybe, certainly Post 1968, but before then?? it wasnt that much of an issue, there also wasnt the hype and abject fear of firearms that there is in today's society.

 

Meh, maybe forty. I tossed in the number "100" because I assume NJ followed NY's lead right around the time of the Sullivan Act. But who knows? Maybe it didn't start being "like this" here until later.

Its all BS! Its like paying a fee for the RIGHT of freedom of speech! Anyway it will never pass , fee or no fee! We have no chance of carrying legally in this sh!thole!

Its all BS! Its like paying a fee for the RIGHT of freedom of speech! Anyway it will never pass , fee or no fee! We have no chance of carrying legally in this sh!thole!

 

You pay for the right to have freedom of political speech right here on NJGF ! $3.00 a month. NJGF is no better then the politicians of NJ.

Its all BS! Its like paying a fee for the RIGHT of freedom of speech! Anyway it will never pass , fee or no fee! We have no chance of carrying legally in this sh!thole!

 

You pay for the right to have freedom of political speech right here on NJGF ! $3.00 a month. NJGF is no better then the politicians of NJ.

 

BS! This isnt even in the same category! This site is privately owned I assume, The owner has to pay for the site to be up, You have a choice to either participate or not.

You pay for the right to have freedom of political speech right here on NJGF ! $3.00 a month. NJGF is no better then the politicians of NJ.

 

:rolleyes - another significant misunderstanding of the constitution and your rights.

 

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

The statement above clearly says "Congress shall make no law..." You do NOT have the right to speech on a privately owned forum, in employment, etc. Go tell your boss he's a Richard to his face and then argue with the law that you have the "right to free speech" in a court when you get fired. It's idiotic and will be thrown out of court faster than you can say Mosin Nagant.

 

In addition - you don't HAVE to pay $3 unless you want to sell your stuff on this forum. Don't want to sell stuff or don't want to support the forum? You don't have to, it's not mandatory.

 

You pay for the right to have freedom of political speech right here on NJGF ! $3.00 a month. NJGF is no better then the politicians of NJ.

 

 

Um, what? Are you saying that those that have paid see a forum that allows political discussion that I don't see?

um, yah... "the Lounge" & "Politics in NJ and the United States" are only available to "premium" members. no big deal, though.

to second djg0770's opinion, you don't have to pay to participate in the forum. unlike CCW, it's never a "life or death" question.

um, yah... "the Lounge" & "Politics in NJ and the United States" are only available to "premium" members. no big deal, though.

 

 

I am surprised. Not really a selling point. kind of the opposite.

I am surprised. Not really a selling point. kind of the opposite.

Kind of like the ARF team forums.....less nonsense i would assume.

meh. I just wanted to support my addiction the forum, so I upped the membership. I don't see myself selling any of my very limited collection in the near future (just buying, and you don't have to be "premium" to browse the Marketplace ) and I don't much care for the other 2 sub-forums.